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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mengu" data-source="post: 5053064" data-attributes="member: 65726">Damagewise, it's pretty comparable to a fighter.Let's take a look at a one handed weapon talent dwarf at level 6 (not going greatweapon, to keep it more defensive). Feats: Dwarven Weapon Training, Fighter Weapon Specialization, Armor Proficiency Plate, Toughness.Some powers: Brash Strike, Villain's Menace, Battle Fury Stance, Rain of SteelHis Brash Strike with a vanilla +2 waraxe is going to be something like 1d12+14 (+3 strength, +2 enhancement, +2 feat, +1 specialization, +2 item, +4 con) , pretty close to the warden's at-will attack.When you start comparing dailies, Rain of Steel is going to potentially hurt multiple people for a good wallop automatically without requiring an attack roll. So that's better than any guardian form the warden can muster up. And Villain's Menace doesn't boost the damage as much as the Warden's forms, but gives an attack bonus also.And this fighter has another ace up his sleeve with Battle Fury Stance, if he wants to sacrifice some AC for extra damage. And he can use this stance every encounter if he chooses (except when he's using Rain of Steel which is way better anyway).Looking at defenses, the dwarf has AC 24 or so with shield, way better than the warden. When he grants combat advantage it drops to a 22, still better than Warden. His other defenses are 20/17/16, in the same ballpark as the warden. He has 69 hit points, 2 points shy of the warden.The warden has a marking mechanic that's slightly stronger, but the dwarf's opportunity attacks and combat challenge attacks are better than what the warden can do.The dwarf can't make free saves like the warden, which is the only significant shortcoming I see at this point, though he has more item room to play with some resistances, than the warden.At level 6, the goliath warden and dwarf fighter are looking pretty close. defensively and offensively.</blockquote>

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