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<blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 6170288" data-attributes="member: 7006"><p>Absolutely. WotC took a risk on a big sea change and while it might have worked for a period of time, it wasn't sustainable over the long haul. But kudos for them for attempting the big sea change in the first place.</p><p></p><p>People forget the hue and cry that went up over the release of 3.5 three years after 3.0. WotC realized (probably quite correctly) that if they attempted to release a 4.0 that was basically along the lines of what Pathfinder was... a revamped 3.5... they would have been crucified. Even if their 4.0 ended up being a technically better product. That wouldn't have mattered. Sure, looking back on it now, a bunch of us would probably try and claim "Oh no! I would have LOVED a 3.75 or 4.0"... but most who would say that are full of crap. After spending $200+ on full sets of 3.0 and 3.5 books... those 4.0 books released by WotC five years later would have been shat upon as nothing but a money grab. And don't let anyone try and tell you different.</p><p></p><p>So they made 4E different enough to make sure no one would ever try and claim they were just making another edited money grab... plus they tried their best to incorporate their miniatures and Dungeon Tiles line into the game hardline (which was not the worst idea in the world, although in hindsight had they not made the game so dependent on them, they probably wouldn't have had as much blowback from a certain percentage of players.)</p><p></p><p>In the end... WotC tried to bet big on a game that would bring many new or returning players back to D&D. Which they did in spades. It was just the established playerbase that were not as willing to follow the game in its new direction. But they never would have realized that had they not tried. And now that they have seen the results... they are trying a course correction with 5E that will run between the games in hopes that both sides will give a little ground.</p><p></p><p>We'll still have our edition die-hards who'll bitch because 5E won't be an exact recreation of their edition of choice (although why they even care about any edition other than the one they have a hard on for is beyond me)... but for everyone else... it might end up being a very solid and adaptable playset.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DEFCON 1, post: 6170288, member: 7006"] Absolutely. WotC took a risk on a big sea change and while it might have worked for a period of time, it wasn't sustainable over the long haul. But kudos for them for attempting the big sea change in the first place. People forget the hue and cry that went up over the release of 3.5 three years after 3.0. WotC realized (probably quite correctly) that if they attempted to release a 4.0 that was basically along the lines of what Pathfinder was... a revamped 3.5... they would have been crucified. Even if their 4.0 ended up being a technically better product. That wouldn't have mattered. Sure, looking back on it now, a bunch of us would probably try and claim "Oh no! I would have LOVED a 3.75 or 4.0"... but most who would say that are full of crap. After spending $200+ on full sets of 3.0 and 3.5 books... those 4.0 books released by WotC five years later would have been shat upon as nothing but a money grab. And don't let anyone try and tell you different. So they made 4E different enough to make sure no one would ever try and claim they were just making another edited money grab... plus they tried their best to incorporate their miniatures and Dungeon Tiles line into the game hardline (which was not the worst idea in the world, although in hindsight had they not made the game so dependent on them, they probably wouldn't have had as much blowback from a certain percentage of players.) In the end... WotC tried to bet big on a game that would bring many new or returning players back to D&D. Which they did in spades. It was just the established playerbase that were not as willing to follow the game in its new direction. But they never would have realized that had they not tried. And now that they have seen the results... they are trying a course correction with 5E that will run between the games in hopes that both sides will give a little ground. We'll still have our edition die-hards who'll bitch because 5E won't be an exact recreation of their edition of choice (although why they even care about any edition other than the one they have a hard on for is beyond me)... but for everyone else... it might end up being a very solid and adaptable playset. [/QUOTE]
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