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Message: <blockquote data-quote="MechaPilot" data-source="post: 7367515" data-attributes="member: 82779">Oh, come on!  There will always be optimal and sub-optimal uses for abilities.  That those exist doesn't mean the warlord feature (or any other feature with optimal and sub-optimal uses) is bad.  And not every party has a rogue in it.  The party I'm running an adventure for doesn't have one, and no one feels they need one.Let's say the high-level warlord gets 4 attacks (maybe it's gets them because it's a fighter subclass, maybe it's just the only other class lucky enough to get a 4th attack).  If the warlord wields a 2d6 damage weapon and has to give up her action to let someone else act off turn, the warlord is sacrificing 8d6 + 20 (i.e. 4x Str mod) damage, for an average of 48 damage.  The 11d6 +5 attack from the rogue deals an average of 43.5 damage and the rogue has to burn a reaction to do less damage than the warlord could have.Now, if you say the high-level warlord gets 3 attacks, then we've got 6d6+15, an average of 36 damage compared to an average of 43.5 damage.  That's a 7.5 point difference, and that's at the highest levels of play.</blockquote>