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<blockquote data-quote="Cadence" data-source="post: 8747191" data-attributes="member: 6701124"><p>In most editions of D&D I want the high level wizards gone <em>when I run things</em> because they make it so I can't reasonably get the campaign world to work in my head. I also want the high level clerics and druids and bards and monsters gone too. The teleportation, long distance scrying, communing, resurrecting, mind dominating, castle negating, and army defeating spells make it hard for me to picture why any of the medieval trappings are there. And if the high level casters are gone, I'm not sure why I want a fighter with 200 hp going around single handedly defeating armies either.</p><p> </p><p>If there are lots of high level baddies around I wonder how everything isn't hell on earth. If there aren't, then I wonder why the high level good guys haven't teamed up to clear the countryside of the moderate level ones. And if there aren't other high level good guys then I wonder why the high level bad opponents don't appear until the party is high level. Or if they were there why they haven't nuked anything that might develop into a threat. Bleh.</p><p></p><p>And so to stop myself from overthinking in my world building and campaign running I'd like the whole thing to stop earlier.</p><p></p><p>If<em> I'm playing in a game</em>? Meh, I can deal with the world not making sense (in the sociological, political, economic, warfare kind of ways) as long as the DM can put up with my questions about exploiting the gaps. So I'm good with the high level wizards there.</p><p></p><p>-----</p><p></p><p>I wonder what would happen if they harkened back to the old basic line way of dividing things. Say the PHB1 was sort of like BE and 1/2 C with the rules for the characters for that, and PHB2 was the rest of C and MI with all of the things of that level. So the first book focusses on characters dealing with the local area, cities, and kingdoms, and the second focusses on the world and the planes beyond.</p><p> </p><p>Selfishly I could just use the PHB1 when running things. And then if I was playing I could use both.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cadence, post: 8747191, member: 6701124"] In most editions of D&D I want the high level wizards gone [I]when I run things[/I] because they make it so I can't reasonably get the campaign world to work in my head. I also want the high level clerics and druids and bards and monsters gone too. The teleportation, long distance scrying, communing, resurrecting, mind dominating, castle negating, and army defeating spells make it hard for me to picture why any of the medieval trappings are there. And if the high level casters are gone, I'm not sure why I want a fighter with 200 hp going around single handedly defeating armies either. If there are lots of high level baddies around I wonder how everything isn't hell on earth. If there aren't, then I wonder why the high level good guys haven't teamed up to clear the countryside of the moderate level ones. And if there aren't other high level good guys then I wonder why the high level bad opponents don't appear until the party is high level. Or if they were there why they haven't nuked anything that might develop into a threat. Bleh. And so to stop myself from overthinking in my world building and campaign running I'd like the whole thing to stop earlier. If[I] I'm playing in a game[/I]? Meh, I can deal with the world not making sense (in the sociological, political, economic, warfare kind of ways) as long as the DM can put up with my questions about exploiting the gaps. So I'm good with the high level wizards there. ----- I wonder what would happen if they harkened back to the old basic line way of dividing things. Say the PHB1 was sort of like BE and 1/2 C with the rules for the characters for that, and PHB2 was the rest of C and MI with all of the things of that level. So the first book focusses on characters dealing with the local area, cities, and kingdoms, and the second focusses on the world and the planes beyond. Selfishly I could just use the PHB1 when running things. And then if I was playing I could use both. [/QUOTE]
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