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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 8747815" data-attributes="member: 87792">If you "want to emulate actual people in an actual world" then what are you playing D&D for. In particular what are you playing D&D at above level 5 for?D&D is a fantasy world full of fantastic people. Many of whom can cast spells and are otherwise capable of magic. It is not a grounded ruleset for gritty realism; it has consequence-free hit points. If your kink is to cap your character at level 5 then do that - and let those of us who want fighters that can actually hang with the spellcasters (and remember that full casters make up a plurality of 5e classes before you count the warlock). And you're playing someone who literally according to the rules of 5e never gets injured; a long rest (or in older editions a few days of bed rest) will heal you up. You recover from any fight you survive in a timescale that matches sporting events not actual injury. You aren't a realistic person.But even then you aren't playing a realistic fighter. You're playing a fighter armed with a nerf bat thanks to the effects of hit points.  And a fighter with absurd, ridiculous healing (in any edition). If you want to play an actual person in an actual world I'd suggest a whole lot of systems (starting with Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay) but not the power fantasy system of D&D with its consequence free hit points and near effortless and incredibly reliable spell casting. And why do you want to prevent other people playing fighters that can keep up outside the combat pillar?But for what's wanted? And note that I am not really differentiating between the fighter, rogue, and barbarian.<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Tier 1: Levels 1-4. This is more or less OK. Maneuvers are good - and if you want to be an actual person in an actual world then not being a near-untiring robot that can keep making the same attack again and again without either getting tired or their foe learning it would be good. So limited resource abilities.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Tier 2: Levels 5-10. Here you are an action hero. James Bond and John Wick are good inspirations here as are most solo renditions of Batman.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Tier 3: Levels 11-15. Now you're an outright superhero. Think Hulk, Captain America, Spider-Man. Or for that matter the mythological Hercules. If at Tier 1 you could break a door by kicking it now you should be able to do the same to a bank vault - or leap a small building. </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Tier 4: Tier 4 should be wild. Look at CuChulain cutting the tops off mountains. Or look at anime (although most anime swordsmen I've seen are Tier 3).</li> </ul>As things stand the fighter is great in tier 1, fine in tier 2, and never gets an ability after level 11 that's not a duplicate of one they had earlier except the level 20 capstone. And as far as feats are concerned most are "full build" by level 8 with a few being full build at level 12. What's needed is for the tiers 3 and 4 fighter to meaningfully exist and gain capabilities they didn't have earlier.I on the other hand find that magic is magical because of what it does. When I create an illusion that's magical and I don't need the rules to tell me it's magical - and I don't need the rules to tell me that a fireball created out of thin air is magic. Meanwhile I find it to say "fighters shouldn't get nice things because it would make my mage feel less special and that's boring".</blockquote>

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