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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Shadowedeyes" data-source="post: 8747846" data-attributes="member: 7027005">I mean, that is kinda the problem though. An 18th level Wizard can have Jump as an at will spell and so becomes better than the guy we would expect to be the physical athlete. The fact that most people would call that a poor use of the ability doesn't really make the Champion better.Consider this hypothetical spell. 5th level, lasts 8 hours and during the duration you can reroll a single failed saving throw. You can upcast the spell at 7th level to get 2 rerolls during the duration and at 9th level to bring it up to 3. I doubt anyone would take the spell to be honest. Yet that is exactly what a fighter gets at the level when the wizard gets the aforementioned spell slots.</blockquote>