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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 8751183" data-attributes="member: 23751">Right, which is why I specified rolling where you don't always have control over where your stats go.See, I don't see that as decent.&nbsp; They're an outright liability when used. A wizard's exploration spells are much better, or were prior to 5e.&nbsp; Now some of the best ones like teleport and dimension door are also dangerous to use.I don't mind if they have the option to be good at a few roles and are versatile.&nbsp; They will usually take roles that no one else has taken so everyone shines.&nbsp; Further, having access to 9 roles as options means that the wizard has to have found a whole lot of spells and added them to the spell book.&nbsp; If they find few spells, then they won't have the option for 9 roles.I disagree. Each class is different enough to be unique and contribute.&nbsp; The fighter and barbarian are very different at what they do, and having two big buff people out front is a boon. I guess I see classes as more than a role.&nbsp; They're also a flavor, so I don't care if 3 people are ice cream.&nbsp; One is a chocolate chip ice cream cookie, one is strawberry cone and one is bubblegum in a cup.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 8751183, member: 23751"] Right, which is why I specified rolling where you don't always have control over where your stats go. See, I don't see that as decent. They're an outright liability when used. A wizard's exploration spells are much better, or were prior to 5e. Now some of the best ones like teleport and dimension door are also dangerous to use. I don't mind if they have the option to be good at a few roles and are versatile. They will usually take roles that no one else has taken so everyone shines. Further, having access to 9 roles as options means that the wizard has to have found a whole lot of spells and added them to the spell book. If they find few spells, then they won't have the option for 9 roles. I disagree. Each class is different enough to be unique and contribute. The fighter and barbarian are very different at what they do, and having two big buff people out front is a boon. I guess I see classes as more than a role. They're also a flavor, so I don't care if 3 people are ice cream. One is a chocolate chip ice cream cookie, one is strawberry cone and one is bubblegum in a cup. [/QUOTE]

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