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<blockquote data-quote="bert1001 fka bert1000" data-source="post: 8753323" data-attributes="member: 7029588">There are probably better LotR scholars here than me, but Gandalf seems pretty limited compared to a high level D&amp;D wizard.&nbsp; (books, not sure about movies as haven't watched in a long time)Gandalf does some overt magical stuff that I remember -- like help the elves create a raging river, kill 2? goblins with lightning, set some wolves on fire (but not outright kill them), crack a bridge in half, appear terrifying, create light?&nbsp; &nbsp; But it's definitely not frequent (no where near a D&amp;D wizard daily load out!) and the effects he can produce seems quite limited and not nearly as powerful:&nbsp;&nbsp; <ul>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">he can't teleport everyone to Rivendale or The Lonely mountain or really do much travel / exploration magic; hence the long dangerous journeys</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">he wants to avoid bands of goblins and not confront them directly</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">invisibility seems to be a trait of a super super powerful artifact and not something he can do</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">he can light a fire in a blizzard but that's no where near a Tiny Hut/ Secure Shelter</li>
</ul>A lot of his magic seems subtle &quot;inspiring people&quot; that have been effected by the shadow or despair. He did fight a Balrog off camera for days and win after dying.&nbsp;&nbsp; I guess he could have used a bunch of high level stuff in that fight but unclear.&nbsp;&nbsp; He may have been much more powerful than we see, but even if so something was restricting that power to actually use it (not his Age to directly intervine, couldn't risk Sauron's eye, etc.) that D&amp;D wizard's don't have.Doesn't seem like a good comparison.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="bert1001 fka bert1000, post: 8753323, member: 7029588"] There are probably better LotR scholars here than me, but Gandalf seems pretty limited compared to a high level D&D wizard. (books, not sure about movies as haven't watched in a long time) Gandalf does some overt magical stuff that I remember -- like help the elves create a raging river, kill 2? goblins with lightning, set some wolves on fire (but not outright kill them), crack a bridge in half, appear terrifying, create light? But it's definitely not frequent (no where near a D&D wizard daily load out!) and the effects he can produce seems quite limited and not nearly as powerful: [LIST] [*]he can't teleport everyone to Rivendale or The Lonely mountain or really do much travel / exploration magic; hence the long dangerous journeys [*]he wants to avoid bands of goblins and not confront them directly [*]invisibility seems to be a trait of a super super powerful artifact and not something he can do [*]he can light a fire in a blizzard but that's no where near a Tiny Hut/ Secure Shelter [/LIST] A lot of his magic seems subtle "inspiring people" that have been effected by the shadow or despair. He did fight a Balrog off camera for days and win after dying. I guess he could have used a bunch of high level stuff in that fight but unclear. He may have been much more powerful than we see, but even if so something was restricting that power to actually use it (not his Age to directly intervine, couldn't risk Sauron's eye, etc.) that D&D wizard's don't have. Doesn't seem like a good comparison. [/QUOTE]

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