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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 8753328" data-attributes="member: 7030563">I think they can generally can do a lot better with spells like knock, friends, charm person/monster etc. Invisibility is going to give you advantage on most stealth checks, which will generally be better than expertise and it also makes you fully obscured.  Not only can the wizard sneak better than the Rogue, he can sneak in places the Rogue has no chance or ability to sneak in.  Further skill expert and prodigy are things the Wizard can use and that is before we even bring up etherealness or dimension door.Knock does make a loud noise, but silence well silences it.But a bladesinger is a Wizard.  You are really stuck on this idea of "wizard stuff", a Bladesinger wielding a sword is a wizard.They can't heal or raise dead allies.  They can do just about everything else a Cleric does and do most of it better.I agree he can't do it all in the same day but I disagree about focus.  A Wizard who runs a high Charisma and gets a bunch of Charm spells is going to be a great face, one who pushes dex and relies on illusions is going to be a great scuot/sneak.   Now that is a build to make a wizard a better fighter than a fighter or a better scout than a Rogue or Ranger, but that is very doable.A Wizard can be a really, really good face, but I will admit they can not do that as well as a Bard or Fey Wanderer Ranger that really builds towards it, but they can be the next best thing after those and they can be better than your standard Bard or Fey Wanderer.</blockquote>

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