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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 8753643" data-attributes="member: 23751">Which makes most them subpar rogues due to a lower dex bonus. Besides, you can recheck picking locks, so unless the party is being chased, the rogue doesn't even have to roll. He's going to succeed eventually.  And if the party IS being chased, you want the rogue who has the best bonus to be trying to pick it, not someone with a lower bonus or the wizard who is going to bring yet more creatures down on the group with knock.I don't recall it being illegal to kill monsters.  If you're talking about humans, elves and such, yes, killing them could get you arrested or turned into fugitives.You do understand the difference between mind rape and an attempt to talk someone into something, right?  Advantage is not the distinction.IF you get a roll.  Friends does not guarantee one.  If the outcome of the attempt to intimidate is not in doubt, your spell isn't going to help.But does not guarantee rolls.  If the outcome is not in doubt, there is no ability check. How does the DM determine that, he looks at what the spell does.  It makes the target regard the caster as a friendly acquaintance.  Therefore, anything a friendly acquaintance absolutely would not do for the caster is not going to get a roll.  If it's possible that a friendly acquaintance would do what is asked, say delivering a letter to the innkeeper, you get advantage on that roll.That's objectively false.  Charm let's the victim, and it is a victim, know that it has been charmed.  A 20 charisma and expertise is not mind rape, so it will not have the same effect with failure.  Charm is objectively worse to use than a 20 charisma and expertise.Yes, I said that earlier.  But only sight.  Not the other ways to detect an invisible creature, like hearing.In a well lit empty room, yes.  So in a very rare corner case the wizard wins. Yay!!Darkvision? A creature relying on that has almost no chance of seeing that rogue.  That creature has disadvantageIf the wizard is relying on feats, other classes, other party members, items, etc., then it is not wizard superiority.Most do, and even healing word > than wizard at being a healer.Without going to feats, items or another class?If the DM isn't making mind rape illegal, he's making charm more powerful and useful than it is supposed to be.  It's a 1st level spell for God's sake. It's supposed to be on par with Magic Missile.I'm not saying that there are no circumstances where charm might be used or useful. It's just not the awesome sauce people portray it to be.Great. A low int = lots more saves for monsters and the wizard loses what "domination" he might have had.  Low dex or con = squishy wizard that gets hit a lot.That you have to put in unobscured is telling.  But then I conceded that a rogue in a brightly lit empty room is worse than an invisible wizard.  Corner cases don't counter what I am saying.</blockquote>

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