Reply to thread

Message

<blockquote data-quote="Oofta" data-source="post: 8754490" data-attributes="member: 6801845">In my experience,&nbsp; the only way to get past a guard is to be invisible is an edge case. How many times does a lone individual need to sneak past a guard?&nbsp; In addition, you still need to be stealthy. You can't automatically sneak past, many creatures rely primarily on senses other than sight to detect intruders. Even the lowly guard dog* that has advantage on perception for smell and hearing relies more on those abilities than sight.&nbsp; How many 7th spells do y'all have?&nbsp; Teleport seems like it's the big trump card showing how awesome wizards are. It's a spell you don't get until 13th level.&nbsp; You don’t get a second 7th level slot until 20th, although of course you can use an even higher spell slot.&nbsp; If you have a 13th level or higher wizard who has the spell prepared and a slot slot and is in an area that doesn't stop teleport (or an enemy caster wit counterspell), yes its useful.In my experience, also an edge case.&nbsp; One I've never seen occur in an actual game.The rogue will be better at virtually everything they've specialized in with the exception of a couple of edge cases.&nbsp; Still want invisibility?&nbsp; Take an arcane trickster or eldritch knight that's 8th level or higher.&nbsp; Or of course have one of the many classes that have it cast it on your rogue.&nbsp; *Yes, I use guard dogs if it makes sense, they've been used for that purpose for millennia.&nbsp; At least I'm not going to go overboard and use the most terrifying guard beast ever!&nbsp; I'm talking of course about geese.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Oofta, post: 8754490, member: 6801845"] In my experience, the only way to get past a guard is to be invisible is an edge case. How many times does a lone individual need to sneak past a guard? In addition, you still need to be stealthy. You can't automatically sneak past, many creatures rely primarily on senses other than sight to detect intruders. Even the lowly guard dog* that has advantage on perception for smell and hearing relies more on those abilities than sight. How many 7th spells do y'all have? Teleport seems like it's the big trump card showing how awesome wizards are. It's a spell you don't get until 13th level. You don’t get a second 7th level slot until 20th, although of course you can use an even higher spell slot. If you have a 13th level or higher wizard who has the spell prepared [I]and [/I]a slot slot [I]and [/I]is in an area that doesn't stop teleport (or an enemy caster wit counterspell), yes its useful. In my experience, also an edge case. One I've never seen occur in an actual game. The rogue will be better at virtually everything they've specialized in with the exception of a couple of edge cases. Still want invisibility? Take an arcane trickster or eldritch knight that's 8th level or higher. Or of course have one of the many classes that have it cast it on your rogue. [I] *Yes, I use guard dogs if it makes sense, they've been used for that purpose for millennia. At least I'm not going to go overboard and use the most terrifying guard beast ever! I'm talking of course about geese. ;)[/I] [/QUOTE]

Verification