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<blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 8755855" data-attributes="member: 7030563">Sure.&nbsp; The DM should allow them to be whatever concept they want to play .... including the Wizard face when there are 3 other faces in the group.First off I don't buy the hypothesis here, because I have played in A LOT of parties with more than one guy good at social checks and more than one guy good at exploration and more than one front liner and I have NEVER experienced what you describe for the reasons you describe.&nbsp; EVERY time I have seen this happen, it is because of the players not because of the defined classes/roles.&nbsp; If I am a face and I am getting overshadowed by someone else doing all the social checks&nbsp; it is NEVER in my experience because that other character was built to be a &quot;face&quot; or because he was a good &quot;face&quot;.&nbsp; It is because the PLAYER is stealing the spotlight and that happens with an 8 Charisma Barbarian with no social skills as much as it does with a 20 charisma bard with expertise.But even if this hypothesis is true there is still a choice at play here.&nbsp; If there are 3 faces in the party and they all CHOSE to play faces and I also CHOOSE to play a face then we are making a CHOICE to play like this and any of us could have CHOSEN to build our respective characters differently.&nbsp; So if my face is overshadowing your face and you don't like it, and it is in fact due to the character and not the personality, then perhaps you should not have played a face.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ECMO3, post: 8755855, member: 7030563"] Sure. The DM should allow them to be whatever concept they want to play .... including the Wizard face when there are 3 other faces in the group. First off I don't buy the hypothesis here, because I have played in A LOT of parties with more than one guy good at social checks and more than one guy good at exploration and more than one front liner and I have [U]NEVER[/U] experienced what you describe for the reasons you describe. EVERY time I have seen this happen, it is because of the players not because of the defined classes/roles. If I am a face and I am getting overshadowed by someone else doing all the social checks it is NEVER in my experience because that other character was built to be a "face" or because he was a good "face". It is because the PLAYER is stealing the spotlight and that happens with an 8 Charisma Barbarian with no social skills as much as it does with a 20 charisma bard with expertise. But even if this hypothesis is true there is still a choice at play here. If there are 3 faces in the party and they all CHOSE to play faces and I also CHOOSE to play a face then we are making a CHOICE to play like this and any of us could have CHOSEN to build our respective characters differently. So if my face is overshadowing your face and you don't like it, and it is in fact due to the character and not the personality, then perhaps you should not have played a face. [/QUOTE]

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