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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 8756889" data-attributes="member: 87792">And the fact is that Subway is the most popular sandwich chain in the world. This doesn't make its sandwiches good - in fact their bread is so bad it legally counts as cake in Ireland (and I think the rest of the EU) because of all the sugar. Popularity arguments are not relevant to quality.We are pretty much in agreement here. I don't like the 5e fighter much in combat but that's because I actively want complex tactical fighters (and I've explained that in a recent post on the complex fighters thread). However this is a matter of taste and my big objection to the fighter being non-complex is that we have the Barbarian in that design space and nothing in the complex fighter design space.The problem is that out of combat the pre-2020 fighter is little other than a glorified commoner. (The Echo Knight, Rune Knight, and Psi Warrior get their things - and the Battlemaster post-Tasha's gets to skillmonkey). We're in agreement that the fighter needs more.</blockquote>