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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 8756925" data-attributes="member: 7030563">But the people on this board are not newbies and newbies that play the game are going to be limited primarily by lack of experience and familiarity with the game, not by the mechanics.  A newbie playing a wizard is not more powerful than a newbie playing say a Monk (and arguably less powerful due to the mastery necessary to use spells effectively).To make the Wizard be more powerful than other classes you have to understand the rules sufficiently to eek out those advantages.First off, nothing hints at it being the same.Moreover, you are wrong, the PHB actually states that "Wizards are supreme magic users".  So it actually uses the word "supreme" refering to the wizard.  That is more than a hint, considering there are 9 magic using classes and only one can be "supreme".The description of Wizards paints them as over the top powerful.  Let's compare Wizard to Fighter descriptions form the PHB:Wizard:"Wizards are supreme magic-users, defined and united as a class by the spells they cast. Drawing on the subtle weave of magic that permeates the cosmos, wizards cast spells of explosive fire, arcing lightning, subtle deception, and brute-force mind control. Their magic conjures monsters from other planes of existence, glimpses the future, or turns slain foes into zombies. Their mightiest spells change one substance into another, call meteors down from the sky, or open portals to other worlds."The same paragraph from the fighter description:"All of these heroes are fighters, perhaps the most diverse class of characters in the worlds of Dungeons & Dragons. Questing knights, conquering overlords, royal champions, elite foot soldiers, hardened mercenaries, and bandit kings — as fighters, they all share an unparalleled mastery with weapons and armor, and a thorough knowledge of the skills of combat. And they are well acquainted with death, both meting it out and staring it defiantly in the face."Are you really suggesting that those two paragraphs imply an equal level of power?  One is descibed as "supreme" with "explosive fire", "mind control" "conjuring monsters from other planes of existance and "calling down meteors from the sky"The other description uses terms like "diverse", "elite foot soldiers" and "metting out death"I don't know about you but literally bringing a devil onto the planet or calling down a meteor sounds or opening a portal to another plane is godlike, while the fighter description sounds about like your average U.S. Marine - pretty awesome as far as people go, but not godlike.My wife has never played D&D, I asked her which of those paragraphs sounded more powerful and she said the first.Spiderman is probably a druid.  Or maybe a Warlock.</blockquote>

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