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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Fanaelialae" data-source="post: 8757736" data-attributes="member: 53980">Whether or not you see it as a pitfall is kind of irrelevant. Plenty of DMs here on ENWorld have proudly stated that they don't run a cooperative game and that their players like it that way. And, aside from a DM who runs their campaign in an abusive manner, I respect that even if it isn't entirely my cup of tea.The fighter's efficacy should not be contingent upon having a cooperative DM, any more than the wizard ought to be. The wizard is effective whether the DM is cooperative or an impartial referee. In many instances, the fighter is dramatically less impactful under the latter DM, and that is a design flaw. They don't have to be dramatically weaker under an impartial referee DM. Look at the DCC RPG, which not only assumes that the referee will be impartial, but also builds stunting into the fighter class. I wouldn't say it is perfect, but I'd say it's a much better designed fighter than the 5e fighter.</blockquote>