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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 8760278" data-attributes="member: 23751">You didn't read a bit farther down in post #599 where he says..."That's the point, buddy.If the wizard is doing almost everything, he's still mediocre in combat.That 9 Roles.Imagine if someone takes 2 roles off his hands. The Wizard is suddenly doing 7 Role well.And if the fighter optss to take the wizard's damage load... look the DM is crying in the corner."That's 9 roles mediocre and 7 roles well.This is flat out wrong.  Again, his very first sentence..."The only role it can't fill simultaneously on the team is healer, a la a cleric who might use healing during combat, which as everyone knows is sub optimal..."His later paragraph about the party of casters further cements the claim with this statement..."Everyone just as able to damage/absorb damage/remove social and exploration pillars/exit stage right quickly, etc."Everyone can do every role simultaneously.All of them said what I claimed they said.  And if he's not using 6-8 encounters, then any problem is created by him. Also WotC adventures are not relevant. They break all kinds of rules that they put forth aaaaaaand, they are not rules in the slightest, so have no bearing on actual rules or guidelines.</blockquote>