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<blockquote data-quote="Asisreo" data-source="post: 8762388" data-attributes="member: 7019027"><p>Remarkable Athlete adds a +3 to strength, dexterity, and constitution checks. At +5 modifier, that's +8, with no skill proficiency. </p><p></p><p>It's an equalizing tactic. It's actually very good against creatures that tend to easily get advantage via pact tactics like wolves. You pop darkness on them and suddenly their advantage doesn't really matter. Even if the fighter is blind, it's not disadvantageous because the enemies are also blind. </p><p></p><p>However, it <em>is</em> disadvantageous against creatures with the ability to see through it anyways because suddenly they get free advantage. But you likely wouldn't know which is which by hearing a creature's description. </p><p></p><p>Wizards in 5e don't have light armor proficiency natively. They'd need Mage Armor for even decent AC without shield. </p><p></p><p>You can get 20 AC a few other ways. You can be a dex fighter with studded leather and a shield and take defense fighting style. </p><p></p><p>You can be strength-based with +2 dex and half-plate, shield, and defensive style for 20 AC. </p><p></p><p>But if your DM is adamant about only allowing starter equipment for some reason, the fighter may just have to deal with 19 AC for the entirety of the game. </p><p></p><p>Obviously cantrips like eldritch blast are an exception, but a fighter outdamages eldritch blast handily, even with agonizing blast and without feats. </p><p></p><p>But this thread is about the wizard. If you want to argue warlocks are all that, then that's another thread. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And I find it interesting how, somehow, once the wizard starts to underperform, it seems like other spellcasting classes bunch themselves into the conversation. It feels like the single-class fighter has to out-compete all 8 spellcasting classes at once. Even when it should only be about the wizard.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Asisreo, post: 8762388, member: 7019027"] Remarkable Athlete adds a +3 to strength, dexterity, and constitution checks. At +5 modifier, that's +8, with no skill proficiency. It's an equalizing tactic. It's actually very good against creatures that tend to easily get advantage via pact tactics like wolves. You pop darkness on them and suddenly their advantage doesn't really matter. Even if the fighter is blind, it's not disadvantageous because the enemies are also blind. However, it [I]is[/I] disadvantageous against creatures with the ability to see through it anyways because suddenly they get free advantage. But you likely wouldn't know which is which by hearing a creature's description. Wizards in 5e don't have light armor proficiency natively. They'd need Mage Armor for even decent AC without shield. You can get 20 AC a few other ways. You can be a dex fighter with studded leather and a shield and take defense fighting style. You can be strength-based with +2 dex and half-plate, shield, and defensive style for 20 AC. But if your DM is adamant about only allowing starter equipment for some reason, the fighter may just have to deal with 19 AC for the entirety of the game. Obviously cantrips like eldritch blast are an exception, but a fighter outdamages eldritch blast handily, even with agonizing blast and without feats. But this thread is about the wizard. If you want to argue warlocks are all that, then that's another thread. And I find it interesting how, somehow, once the wizard starts to underperform, it seems like other spellcasting classes bunch themselves into the conversation. It feels like the single-class fighter has to out-compete all 8 spellcasting classes at once. Even when it should only be about the wizard. [/QUOTE]
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