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<blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 8766201" data-attributes="member: 7030563"><p>14d8 is 63 damage on average.</p><p></p><p>63 damage on 6 attacks is 10.5 not 15.</p><p></p><p>I will admit this is flawed and favors the fighter. This number is per attack, but some attacks miss while the smite dice always hit.</p><p></p><p>On the flip side the Paladin actually has to make enough hits against enemies and at a time it matters to get the most out of the 14d8, but at this level he can probably do that.</p><p></p><p>IRL your 15 per attack is probably close to accurate given a moderate hit percentage (65%) and 4 rounds per fight.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I think at max it is 35d8, not 57d8: Four 1st = 8d8, three 2nd = 9d8, three 3rd = 12d8, two more 2nd level using channel divinity = 6d8</p><p></p><p>8+9+12+6 = 35</p><p></p><p>35d8=157.5 damage on average</p><p></p><p>157.5/33 = 4.8 damage per hit.</p><p></p><p>Also here it is not guaranteed you will be able to meaningfully use all those smites. Assuming 4-round fights there is only 48 attacks in that time and some of them are on the tail end where high damage won't all land.</p><p></p><p>Here the fighter is ahead.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I think it is 35d8 here too.</p><p></p><p>157.5/21 = 7.5</p><p></p><p>Here the fighter is ahead and you will be really pressed to use all those spell slots meaningfully in only 12 rounds of combat.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>We are using 2 short rests a day not 3. A fighter who got 3 short rests a day would have 4 action surges a day.</p><p></p><p>Mathematically the expected value is 2 critical hits per day using six four-round fights as your baseline for the Paladin. The expected value for the fighter is 3 critical hits at 5th level and 4 critical hits per day at 11th level.</p><p></p><p>Critical hits are not going to change the math much at 11th level because if you crit fish you will have problems using all your slots for smite and problems with the damage all landing.</p><p></p><p>Crits probably do matter at 5th level, but you would need to use a representative AC and hit point value for the enemies as well as a codified strategy to figure out how much.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ECMO3, post: 8766201, member: 7030563"] 14d8 is 63 damage on average. 63 damage on 6 attacks is 10.5 not 15. I will admit this is flawed and favors the fighter. This number is per attack, but some attacks miss while the smite dice always hit. On the flip side the Paladin actually has to make enough hits against enemies and at a time it matters to get the most out of the 14d8, but at this level he can probably do that. IRL your 15 per attack is probably close to accurate given a moderate hit percentage (65%) and 4 rounds per fight. I think at max it is 35d8, not 57d8: Four 1st = 8d8, three 2nd = 9d8, three 3rd = 12d8, two more 2nd level using channel divinity = 6d8 8+9+12+6 = 35 35d8=157.5 damage on average 157.5/33 = 4.8 damage per hit. Also here it is not guaranteed you will be able to meaningfully use all those smites. Assuming 4-round fights there is only 48 attacks in that time and some of them are on the tail end where high damage won't all land. Here the fighter is ahead. I think it is 35d8 here too. 157.5/21 = 7.5 Here the fighter is ahead and you will be really pressed to use all those spell slots meaningfully in only 12 rounds of combat. We are using 2 short rests a day not 3. A fighter who got 3 short rests a day would have 4 action surges a day. Mathematically the expected value is 2 critical hits per day using six four-round fights as your baseline for the Paladin. The expected value for the fighter is 3 critical hits at 5th level and 4 critical hits per day at 11th level. Critical hits are not going to change the math much at 11th level because if you crit fish you will have problems using all your slots for smite and problems with the damage all landing. Crits probably do matter at 5th level, but you would need to use a representative AC and hit point value for the enemies as well as a codified strategy to figure out how much. [/QUOTE]
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