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<blockquote data-quote="Teflon Billy" data-source="post: 1284557" data-attributes="member: 264"><p>Because women will not turn out to their Gender-Marketed "event" movies in numbers comparable to men. </p><p></p><p>Unless you are <em>actually </em> saying that you believe women to be the majority of the audience for the films you listed? </p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Because women are more flexible about what they will go see? Men are less likely to see a "Chick Flick" than women are to see a "Men's Movie"?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Because women generallly consider movies to be less important than men?</p><p></p><p>Because Women generally consider moives to be "dates" while men consider them to be events unto themselves?</p><p></p><p>Because, again, women will not turn out to their Gender-Marketed "event" movies in numbers comparable to men.</p><p></p><p>I'm not really sure. I am sure what the crowds around me at the theatres during a "men's movie" look like. Mostly guys.</p><p></p><p>Look at the lineup of "Die Hards" waiting for event movies. What's the gender breakdown there? 50/50? Not where I live.</p><p></p><p>Men are more likely to be super enthusiastic about their Gender-Marketed "event" movies (like the Matrix, Star Wars Etc.) than women are about theirs (like The Hours, Charlies Angels etc.). </p><p></p><p>I'm not saying that there are no women present a the guy's movies; I'm saying they are in the minority.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It's not just the action angle; it's that it was marketed at Women, it was critically panned and it was--by all accounts--more in the mold of a men's movie than it's predecessor.</p><p></p><p>I liked it incidentally<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>Think of this a working definition of what I mean by "Chick Flick"; </p><p></p><p>A film where...</p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">the story is told from the woman’s point of view, or... </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">A woman is the clear lead protagonist, or... </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The story centers around women and women’s issues.</li> </ul><p></p><p>So <strong>The Hours</strong> counts. So does <strong>Charlies Angels</strong>. So does <strong>The Piano</strong>. So does <strong>Pretty Woman</strong>.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Except that they are right enough of the time that people keep using this as their model for not losing money.</p><p></p><p>Chick flicks get made becasue they are a smaller ecomonic model; Actresses get paid less, Chick flicks are less Special Effect-heavy, therefore they don't need to take as much at the box office to be considered a success. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I must've missed those commericals. Dick angle?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, nobody is <em>everyting</em> they are stereotyped to be, but you are suggesting that stereotypes are <em>entirely</em> baseless, and I'm saying that they are the way in which we are able to discuss large groups and predict behaviour. It works more than it fails.</p><p></p><p>When I say, for example, most of the audience for...pro wrestling... is male, your response (following th logic you've layed out here) should be something akin to... </p><p></p><p>"No it's not, because--given that women do most of the spending in the world, and the WWF is financially successful--this implies that the audience is not mostly men. Plus, women's tastes are entirely individual so the fact that the subject matter is designed to appeal to men means nothing."</p><p></p><p>It also fails to take into account that if you open your eyes and look around at a Pro wrestling event you are seeing mostly men...evidence I find compelling (if anecdotal)</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>But if you take a larger sample group than "women you know" fairly obvious patterns emerge. Christ, the examples you list above (Shoes, Shopping, Babies and Butt-Size) would appear on the list of "typical female concerns"...<em>you</em> obviously recognize them as such. </p><p></p><p>Why Shoudn't the rest of the world?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>By chance? Just sheer random luck? </p><p></p><p>I'll stick by my notion that you can predict the genral preferences of large groups and wait for my senses and experiences to tell me different.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Teflon Billy, post: 1284557, member: 264"] Because women will not turn out to their Gender-Marketed "event" movies in numbers comparable to men. Unless you are [I]actually [/I] saying that you believe women to be the majority of the audience for the films you listed? Because women are more flexible about what they will go see? Men are less likely to see a "Chick Flick" than women are to see a "Men's Movie"? Because women generallly consider movies to be less important than men? Because Women generally consider moives to be "dates" while men consider them to be events unto themselves? Because, again, women will not turn out to their Gender-Marketed "event" movies in numbers comparable to men. I'm not really sure. I am sure what the crowds around me at the theatres during a "men's movie" look like. Mostly guys. Look at the lineup of "Die Hards" waiting for event movies. What's the gender breakdown there? 50/50? Not where I live. Men are more likely to be super enthusiastic about their Gender-Marketed "event" movies (like the Matrix, Star Wars Etc.) than women are about theirs (like The Hours, Charlies Angels etc.). I'm not saying that there are no women present a the guy's movies; I'm saying they are in the minority. It's not just the action angle; it's that it was marketed at Women, it was critically panned and it was--by all accounts--more in the mold of a men's movie than it's predecessor. I liked it incidentally:) Think of this a working definition of what I mean by "Chick Flick"; A film where... [list] [*]the story is told from the woman’s point of view, or... [*]A woman is the clear lead protagonist, or... [*]The story centers around women and women’s issues. [/list] So [b]The Hours[/b] counts. So does [b]Charlies Angels[/b]. So does [b]The Piano[/b]. So does [b]Pretty Woman[/b]. Except that they are right enough of the time that people keep using this as their model for not losing money. Chick flicks get made becasue they are a smaller ecomonic model; Actresses get paid less, Chick flicks are less Special Effect-heavy, therefore they don't need to take as much at the box office to be considered a success. I must've missed those commericals. Dick angle? No, nobody is [i]everyting[/i] they are stereotyped to be, but you are suggesting that stereotypes are [i]entirely[/i] baseless, and I'm saying that they are the way in which we are able to discuss large groups and predict behaviour. It works more than it fails. When I say, for example, most of the audience for...pro wrestling... is male, your response (following th logic you've layed out here) should be something akin to... "No it's not, because--given that women do most of the spending in the world, and the WWF is financially successful--this implies that the audience is not mostly men. Plus, women's tastes are entirely individual so the fact that the subject matter is designed to appeal to men means nothing." It also fails to take into account that if you open your eyes and look around at a Pro wrestling event you are seeing mostly men...evidence I find compelling (if anecdotal) But if you take a larger sample group than "women you know" fairly obvious patterns emerge. Christ, the examples you list above (Shoes, Shopping, Babies and Butt-Size) would appear on the list of "typical female concerns"...[I]you[/I] obviously recognize them as such. Why Shoudn't the rest of the world? By chance? Just sheer random luck? I'll stick by my notion that you can predict the genral preferences of large groups and wait for my senses and experiences to tell me different. [/QUOTE]
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