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<blockquote data-quote="WizarDru" data-source="post: 480829" data-attributes="member: 151">I don't think of myself as a killer DM, but 3E has certainly made me so.&nbsp; In 22 years of DMing, I have killed 6 characters.&nbsp; Four of them under 3E, and all of them within the last year.3e and D&amp;D's perpetuation of the 'Save or Die' spells certainly ups the ante for this sort of situation.&nbsp; The way my 3e players have died:1. Coup de'Graced character after Mummy Paralysis in 'Heart of Nightfang Spire'2. Finger of Death-like spell trap in 'Heart of Nightfang Spire'3. Wail of the Banshee-spell trap on rogue's failed disable roll4. Massive damage from a monster on the mage (last week)There have been plenty of near misses, but the actual deaths have come faster and more furiously in 3e.&nbsp; Granted, bringing characters back from the point of death is easier (and I'm frankly stunned to hear how many tales of 'started a new character' are in this thread), but it just seems like the lethality has been really cranked up a notch.As for GURPS, it IS lethal.&nbsp; However, any sane character concentrates heavily on defense, so the lethality is not nearly as concentrated as it might first appear.&nbsp; PCs compensate accordingly in GURPS for the threat-level.&nbsp; However, if you think GURPS isn't potentially very lethal, then I tend to wonder which settings you've tried with it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="WizarDru, post: 480829, member: 151"] I don't think of myself as a killer DM, but 3E has certainly made me so. In 22 years of DMing, I have killed 6 characters. Four of them under 3E, and all of them within the last year. 3e and D&D's perpetuation of the 'Save or Die' spells certainly ups the ante for this sort of situation. The way my 3e players have died: 1. Coup de'Graced character after Mummy Paralysis in 'Heart of Nightfang Spire' 2. Finger of Death-like spell trap in 'Heart of Nightfang Spire' 3. Wail of the Banshee-spell trap on rogue's failed disable roll 4. Massive damage from a monster on the mage (last week) There have been plenty of near misses, but the actual deaths have come faster and more furiously in 3e. Granted, bringing characters back from the point of death is easier (and I'm frankly stunned to hear how many tales of 'started a new character' are in this thread), but it just seems like the lethality has been really cranked up a notch. As for GURPS, it IS lethal. However, any sane character concentrates heavily on defense, so the lethality is not nearly as concentrated as it might first appear. PCs compensate accordingly in GURPS for the threat-level. However, if you think GURPS isn't potentially very lethal, then I tend to wonder which settings you've tried with it. [/QUOTE]

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