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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ForceUser" data-source="post: 5051383" data-attributes="member: 2785">Actually, think about it for a second. Your PC wizard knows what he himself can do. He's got a good idea of the extent of his master's powers, perhaps. He doesn't necessarily know what the PC cleric can do, or what the NPC wizard he just met can do. He certainly doesn't know the exact powers of Devian, First Adept of the Weeping God, who is currently trying to rip out his immortal soul to feed his evil master. He's a wizard, so he can observe, predict, make some educated guesses with Arcana rolls, but he's not 100% certain. And what about the PC sorcerer? Magic for him is intuition, emotion, illogic. The shaman talks to spirits, and I can't imagine that spirit magic is as codified as wizard magic. Not to mention the fact that in magic fantasy worlds wizards don't exactly trust one another 100% of the time, and are prone to keeping secrets even when they do (speaking of the archetypal trope, I mean). So at the end of the day, even if the party wizard knows exactly how wizard magic works, that doesn't exactly mean he knows how all magic works. It's not like he's got access to the PHB the way his player does. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />I'm not saying you're wrongbad in the way you view magic or anything. Just that there is plenty of wiggle room even in a system as codified as 4E.</blockquote>

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