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<blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 6184639" data-attributes="member: 177"><p>Ah. I don't believe "learned" equates to "unnatural". "Natural" behaviors are merely those that arise in the otherwise un-manipulated natural world, in the wild - learned or genetically programmed. The whole point of genes producing more complex brains is to allow for more flexible and complex behaviors to naturally arise in the system. </p><p></p><p>So, if I take a gorilla into a lab and teach it sign language, that's not really a natural behavior for the gorilla. If the gorilla develops language skills all on its own without my directly trying to impose them, then it becomes a natural behavior for the gorilla.</p><p></p><p>And, to step back a bit from the word "shame" - there are certainly creatures who have aversion to being in the open, or otherwise clearly visible. All sorts of bugs scramble when exposed to bright light, for example. So, some humans have an aversion to being unclothed in public. Maybe this is implemented through the human feeling of shame, but that doesn't make it any more "unnatural" than the millipede's desire to be back under a log.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Umbran, post: 6184639, member: 177"] Ah. I don't believe "learned" equates to "unnatural". "Natural" behaviors are merely those that arise in the otherwise un-manipulated natural world, in the wild - learned or genetically programmed. The whole point of genes producing more complex brains is to allow for more flexible and complex behaviors to naturally arise in the system. So, if I take a gorilla into a lab and teach it sign language, that's not really a natural behavior for the gorilla. If the gorilla develops language skills all on its own without my directly trying to impose them, then it becomes a natural behavior for the gorilla. And, to step back a bit from the word "shame" - there are certainly creatures who have aversion to being in the open, or otherwise clearly visible. All sorts of bugs scramble when exposed to bright light, for example. So, some humans have an aversion to being unclothed in public. Maybe this is implemented through the human feeling of shame, but that doesn't make it any more "unnatural" than the millipede's desire to be back under a log. [/QUOTE]
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