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<blockquote data-quote="MerricB" data-source="post: 2764738" data-attributes="member: 3586"><p>[sarcasm]You would have thought that Green Ronin could have got their product right as well. After all, it isn't as big as 3e.[/sarcasm]</p><p></p><p>I don't think that's a good argument at all.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That would have been a staggeringly bad move. </p><p></p><p>One of the fascinating things about 3e and 3.5e is that under 3e, Wizards put out comparitively few products for the game.</p><p></p><p>2000: 6 + 3 core</p><p>2001: 16</p><p>2002: 13</p><p>2003: 5</p><p></p><p>For 3.5e:</p><p>2003: 6 + 3 core</p><p>2004: 22</p><p>2005: 24</p><p></p><p>The 3e releases also tend to be much smaller than those of 3.5e. (I've counted several "Transitional" releases as 3e, btw - such as Fiend Folio and Savage Species)</p><p></p><p>For those who bought Wizards products only, the transition cost was much less than it would have been if they'd waited until 2005. </p><p></p><p>I also think the revision opened areas of design space that weren't very easy to manage in 3e: especially concerning monster creation (and monsters as PCs). Certainly the revision got rid of 3e system mastery, but in some areas made it much, much simpler to master.</p><p></p><p>From Wizards point of view, 3.5e came at the right time. </p><p></p><p>From the d20 System publishers point of view, I don't think there could be a right time. </p><p></p><p>Nicole wrote:</p><p></p><p></p><p>The time period between 3e and 3.5e D&D was about 3 years. "Much of this material has been picked up and revised based on feedback and comments from D&D players and DMs all around the world." (quote from Complete Warrior).</p><p></p><p>IIRC, Wizards set up a private d20 System publisher's list for previewing the 3.5e changes. However, I can't find a direct reference to it on the 'net at present, nor do I know how effective it was.</p><p></p><p>There is comparison there. However, the *real* effects come on the backstock of small, struggling publishers, and the development of new material. </p><p></p><p>Now, I'm sure that some companies got out of the d20 System business because they were doing badly anyway, and the release of 3.5e allowed them to have a "Blame 3.5e!" excuse, but their existence didn't stop 3.5e hurting most companies (including Wizards).</p><p></p><p>What Wizards did have was the reserves to get through the lean period before 3.5e, and the developmental knowledge so that they could quickly get new product out after 3.5e. </p><p></p><p>I personally think 3.5e came at the right time for the long term, but the short term effects were extremely harsh.</p><p></p><p>Cheers!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MerricB, post: 2764738, member: 3586"] [sarcasm]You would have thought that Green Ronin could have got their product right as well. After all, it isn't as big as 3e.[/sarcasm] I don't think that's a good argument at all. That would have been a staggeringly bad move. One of the fascinating things about 3e and 3.5e is that under 3e, Wizards put out comparitively few products for the game. 2000: 6 + 3 core 2001: 16 2002: 13 2003: 5 For 3.5e: 2003: 6 + 3 core 2004: 22 2005: 24 The 3e releases also tend to be much smaller than those of 3.5e. (I've counted several "Transitional" releases as 3e, btw - such as Fiend Folio and Savage Species) For those who bought Wizards products only, the transition cost was much less than it would have been if they'd waited until 2005. I also think the revision opened areas of design space that weren't very easy to manage in 3e: especially concerning monster creation (and monsters as PCs). Certainly the revision got rid of 3e system mastery, but in some areas made it much, much simpler to master. From Wizards point of view, 3.5e came at the right time. From the d20 System publishers point of view, I don't think there could be a right time. Nicole wrote: The time period between 3e and 3.5e D&D was about 3 years. "Much of this material has been picked up and revised based on feedback and comments from D&D players and DMs all around the world." (quote from Complete Warrior). IIRC, Wizards set up a private d20 System publisher's list for previewing the 3.5e changes. However, I can't find a direct reference to it on the 'net at present, nor do I know how effective it was. There is comparison there. However, the *real* effects come on the backstock of small, struggling publishers, and the development of new material. Now, I'm sure that some companies got out of the d20 System business because they were doing badly anyway, and the release of 3.5e allowed them to have a "Blame 3.5e!" excuse, but their existence didn't stop 3.5e hurting most companies (including Wizards). What Wizards did have was the reserves to get through the lean period before 3.5e, and the developmental knowledge so that they could quickly get new product out after 3.5e. I personally think 3.5e came at the right time for the long term, but the short term effects were extremely harsh. Cheers! [/QUOTE]
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