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Message: <blockquote data-quote="seankreynolds" data-source="post: 973010" data-attributes="member: 3029">No, don't change itI don't like the change.I know the reasons why the change was made (apparently stacking those threat ranges made crit-based fighters too good), but I don't agree with that decision.I played a rapier-fighter in Monte's Ptolus campaign for over two years. When I left Washington, the group was all about 12th-14th level. My rogue/ftr/clr had a +2 keen rapier (a +3-equivalent weapon) and Improved Critical (rapier), so he critted on a 12 and had an attack bonus of +21 on his first attack with it. That meant that 45% of my first attacks in each round were a possible crit, and given that we were usually fighting creatures with ACs in the 25-30 range, it meant I had a 50%-75% chance to score a crit with that first attack. Which meant I did an extra 1d6+5 (Strength and magic) damage on that attack.Compare that to Erik Mona, whose aasimar paladin (about the same level, almost exactly the same attack bonus) had a +1 holy greatsword (a +3-equivalent weapon). On EVERY attack, Erik was doing 4d6 damage (+ Strength and magic) (2d6 from greatsword, 2d6 from holy against evil creatures, and we were usually fighting evil creatures).So we both were sub-optimal "fighters" (he was a paladin, I was multiclass), but had comparable attack values. But he routinely did much more damage than I (in fact, the only reason I sometimes caught up was when I could get a +3d6 sneak attack in now and then). Without the stacking threat range, I would have been better off with a +1 flaming shock weapon than my +2 keen weapon and Imp Crit.The finesse-fighter needs threat ranges from those sources to stack or he can't keep up with the tank fighter. In effect, not letting these two abilities stack is punishing the finesse-fighter for choosing (at low level) to be a finesse-fighter ... eventually your attack form is worse than the standard fighter, even though the finesse fighter had to spend 2 feats (Weap Finesse and Imp Crit) to keep up with the standard fighter.</blockquote>

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