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Message: <blockquote data-quote="jdavis" data-source="post: 1306464" data-attributes="member: 8704">'Eh it's just making my day off go by quicker. Trust me I don't take anything person around here, that's just not a good idea.<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> I don't consider myself a episode 1 or episode 2 defender, heck I think they were piss poor myself, I just arguing the plotline.   There isn't a Army of the Republic, that's a super huge giant point of contention for the whole darn thing, Amadala is fighting in the senate to stop the creation of a Army of the Republic. It's was spelled out within 10 minutes of the movie stating that there is no army of the Republic, they relied completly on the Jedi. As far as that not being a lot of clones, it was the first batch of them, now that they are in a war they will have to continue to order more of them. This wasn't just a skirmish, it was the first battle in a war that last several years (Did you not hear Yoda at the end saying that the Clone Wars have just begun.... Heck they even made a cartoon about it). It also forces the issue from a diplomatic negociation (which is what Amadala was wanting) to a actual declared war. Palpatine was given emergency power to create a army of the Republic (which will undoubtably be more than just clones, just as the Imperial army in Star Wars was more than just Stormtroopers). This move was to allow him to create a army, those clones weren't the army they were the start of the army, Palpatine makes the decisions where troops come from, it's pretty easy for him to say, well the clones worked good lets keep them comming and nobody is the wiser. If there was a army of the Republic to start with then the whole movie doesn't make sense, why would Amadala be leading a faction of senators who are trying to stop the creation of a Army of the Republic if one already existed? Why would the sepratist think they could pull away by using their military might? And why would Palpatine need the clones?  Palpatine only had one dark Jedi minion (there is always only two sith lords) and it was Dooku. By reading what you wrote here I see that you have in fact completly missed the entire plot of the movie. The Kaminoans were instructed to make the army for the Jedi council, why because the Jedi work for the Chancellor, Yes yes yes the army was intended for the Jedi to have. That's the whole point here it was a set up, Palpatine put the Jedi in a position on Geonosis where they were forced to take this army of clones and go to war, there wasn't any other army available because there was no army of the Republic to do this. The Jedi didn't take the army for themselves they took them for the Republic, which Palpatine just managed to gain complete control over. The Jedi are not a independant organization, they are a subservient group to the Senate (controlled by Palpatine). If Palpatine was the President then Yoda would be nothing more than a high ranking General or maybe a minor staff member. This is a secret plot, Palpatine can't reveal himself as a Dark Lord of the Sith, the Jedi would destroy him, but he can manipulate himself to the top where he can secretly send them out to be killed in a bloody war. He tricked the Trade Federation into starting a separitist movement and starting a big crisis, he tricked the Senate to give him absolute power (funny that he had sent Amadala home and into hiding right before this vote came up, she was it's biggest opponent), he tricked the Jedi into going to Geonosis (and being slaughtered) and tricked Yoda into attacking Geonosis with the clones to rescue them thus starting the clone wars. There was no other army of the Republic, there were not enough Jedi to fight a war, heck until Yoda attacked Geonosis to rescue the Jedi, there was no war. He did all this while managing to look like he was actually against the war or the creation of a army himself. Did you not understand that he controlled the Republic the Jedi worked for? Heck he's the person who told the Jedi to let Obi Wan track down the assassin which lead them to Kamino, he knew Obi Wan would go there, he planned it, he knew Obi Wan would then go to Geonosis, he planned it. Did you not see all those scenes where he was telling the Jedi what to do in his chambers? He was leading them around by the nose.  Maybe you fell asleep and missed some of the story or something ( I doze off during the Pod race in Phantom Menace every time myself). You have completly missed what was going on here. Palpatine manuvered the Jedi into a position where they would need a army, one he had prepared 10 years earlier to be waiting for them at this time. Why so they would start a war with the separitist movement he also created 10 years ago. How can he do this, well he can see the future so that really helps, it also helps the Republic was in decline to start with. WHy does he do this? This war allows him to kill off Jedi without being discovered (people die in a war a good portion of the Jedi were killed off on Geonosis right off the bat), consolodate his power over the Repbulic, he will be a war hero when they win, (the Senate was a beurocratic mess, but he saved the Republic) and gain the army he will need to rule once the Jedi are gone. Then when he is ready he pulls the old Julius Ceaser and declares himself Emperor and disbands the Senate. This isn't speculation here it's how Star Wars episode 4 A New Hope started out in 1977.   He put so much time into the logic of the story he forgot to make the characters believable, but rest assured I'm not pulling your leg here, I am not making stuff up this is the plot of the movie, some of it is me making a logic stretch (not a very big one) but most of it was pretty much spelled out in black and white. The Jedi didn't steal his clone army.......The Jedi were manipulated into using the clone army to start a war. There was no other army for them to use when they needed one. This is the plot of the movie. There was no other way to defend the Republic and once they found out the separatist were creating a huge Droid army they had to act. It was shown the Jedi couldn't beat the Droid army (they lost in the Arena and had to be rescued), they needed their own army, wasn't it convienent that one just happened to be supplied for them when they needed it the most? Darth Sidious created a army of clones and had them hand delivered by the Jedi to Chancellor Palpatine.  If we assume the clone army was big then there were millions of people or corperations or planetary governments who could of had it created, the Trade Federation had their own army, heck Naboo had it's own army (as pathetic as that was). Everybody but the Republic had a army, they relied on the Jedi (and more importantly the Jedi's reputation) to maintain order. If you look at it as the army was small, well then it was still big enough to start a war and you don't need as clones as they fight better than droids do, not to mention they would be lead by the Jedi and they would also be a good core for creating a army of the republic around. Either way the economics work out because you are on a galactic scale, where did he get the money? well from any of a thousand sources on a million planets, and the pivital role of the clone army works because before them there is no army of the Republic, after them there was one.  Eh you have missed some big glaring plot points of the movie here, like the fact that Amadala started the whole movie on her way to Corescant  to vote on the big issue of wether there should be a Army of the Republic created, there wasn't one beforehand, or the fact that the clone army was obviously meant for the Jedi to use and that they delivered it to Palpatine. Heck you seem to have missed the point that the Jedi work for the Senate (lead by Palpatine). Or that Dooku wasn't actually part of the Sepratist movement, he was manipulating them for Palpatine. These are real fundamental underlying points to what's going on, they are not things I am coming up with to explain things they are the facts of the movie. I'm not arguing whether it was a good movie or not (it really wasn't all that) I'm just pointing out the plot details.</blockquote>

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