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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9110276" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>I agree, but the larger fanbase isn't what's driving that design, WotC's own deeply confused attempts to come up with something that fits modern attitudes to mixed-background people is.</p><p></p><p>You're illustrating my point completely - you're saying you're fine with them taking an "You're only one race" attitude (I'm not suggesting you share the view, merely that apparently don't care very much either way). In the US, especially among white people, and even some minorities, especially older people, this is sadly not an uncommon attitude - very much because of the US' specific and peculiar history of racism and treatment of race which is too broad to discuss here in detail. The danger is very much that WotC thinks their approach fine, because D&D is not product solely for the US, and not solely for people over a certain age.</p><p></p><p>Your previous post proposed a totally different and unrelated system that would be more acceptable to pretty much everyone than "You're only one race", but I think the issue we're going to see is that, because of the people who answered the survey biasing hard towards being older, white, Americans, WotC might not realize how much trouble they're walking into. A younger, more diverse company absolutely would - but WotC isn't that - even with new hires, contractors and so on, they've repeatedly walked into rakes on precisely these kind of issues.</p><p></p><p>So you're helping to illustrate why I think I'm right to be concerned here, and why dismissing it as "Oh they'll definitely fix it and no-one will care!" is a very OGL 1.1 kind of attitude to me.</p><p></p><p>Sure, but the vast majority of people who play D&D have never heard of either DriveThru or DM's Guild, and don't really use 3PP products at all, and further, as dismissive as you are over this, this is WotC potentially choosing to step on another rake that could damage the popularity of the game in a very serious way. The foolishness they have is seeing half-races as a bigger threat than screwing this up. They're not - WotC could continue with those and the waves made would be genuinely very small (extant, but small), but to eliminate them in favour of deeply-racist concept like "You're only really one race"? That is not going to play well.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 9110276, member: 18"] I agree, but the larger fanbase isn't what's driving that design, WotC's own deeply confused attempts to come up with something that fits modern attitudes to mixed-background people is. You're illustrating my point completely - you're saying you're fine with them taking an "You're only one race" attitude (I'm not suggesting you share the view, merely that apparently don't care very much either way). In the US, especially among white people, and even some minorities, especially older people, this is sadly not an uncommon attitude - very much because of the US' specific and peculiar history of racism and treatment of race which is too broad to discuss here in detail. The danger is very much that WotC thinks their approach fine, because D&D is not product solely for the US, and not solely for people over a certain age. Your previous post proposed a totally different and unrelated system that would be more acceptable to pretty much everyone than "You're only one race", but I think the issue we're going to see is that, because of the people who answered the survey biasing hard towards being older, white, Americans, WotC might not realize how much trouble they're walking into. A younger, more diverse company absolutely would - but WotC isn't that - even with new hires, contractors and so on, they've repeatedly walked into rakes on precisely these kind of issues. So you're helping to illustrate why I think I'm right to be concerned here, and why dismissing it as "Oh they'll definitely fix it and no-one will care!" is a very OGL 1.1 kind of attitude to me. Sure, but the vast majority of people who play D&D have never heard of either DriveThru or DM's Guild, and don't really use 3PP products at all, and further, as dismissive as you are over this, this is WotC potentially choosing to step on another rake that could damage the popularity of the game in a very serious way. The foolishness they have is seeing half-races as a bigger threat than screwing this up. They're not - WotC could continue with those and the waves made would be genuinely very small (extant, but small), but to eliminate them in favour of deeply-racist concept like "You're only really one race"? That is not going to play well. [/QUOTE]
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