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<blockquote data-quote="Sage Genesis" data-source="post: 6275433" data-attributes="member: 6706099">Although we lack a lot of details I think it's safe enough to assume that &quot;full caster&quot; means &quot;casts like a wizard, cleric, or druid&quot; except of course with its own spell list (which might have some overlap with other classes).I don't think I really like that. Spells like that come with their own mechanical ramifications. Spell scrolls, material components, interaction with feats/items/etc., stuff like that. Not sure that's the kind of stuff that bardic magic should do a lot with. It strikes me that more spells means less room for bardic songs as class abilities. I'd rather have seen more of those. You could easily use a mechanic like the monk's ki points and call them... I don't know, verses of power or something. Which you can then use to power all sorts of unique magical effects. Or you could copy the warlock, who apparently has limited spell casting (max spell level is 6th I think Mearls said on twitter?) on top of at-will magical abilities. Given that both such models already exist within the core of Next... why go with full casting? That doesn't match up with tradition, it doesn't match up with their dabbler JoaT concept, and it doesn't really match up with what (most?) people think of when they hear of magic songs.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Sage Genesis, post: 6275433, member: 6706099"] Although we lack a lot of details I think it's safe enough to assume that "full caster" means "casts like a wizard, cleric, or druid" except of course with its own spell list (which might have some overlap with other classes). I don't think I really like that. Spells like that come with their own mechanical ramifications. Spell scrolls, material components, interaction with feats/items/etc., stuff like that. Not sure that's the kind of stuff that bardic magic should do a lot with. It strikes me that more spells means less room for bardic songs as class abilities. I'd rather have seen more of those. You could easily use a mechanic like the monk's ki points and call them... I don't know, verses of power or something. Which you can then use to power all sorts of unique magical effects. Or you could copy the warlock, who apparently has limited spell casting (max spell level is 6th I think Mearls said on twitter?) on top of at-will magical abilities. Given that both such models already exist within the core of Next... why go with full casting? That doesn't match up with tradition, it doesn't match up with their dabbler JoaT concept, and it doesn't really match up with what (most?) people think of when they hear of magic songs. [/QUOTE]

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