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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Salamandyr" data-source="post: 6285409" data-attributes="member: 40233">I saw something to this effect after my last post.  That's good to hear.  "The fighter is way better at doing the things that anybody can do" is exactly the what I'm looking for.  If that's the way it works out, I'm on board...or more on board.The build thing was an aside about how, for instance in 3e, you built characters around combat options, like a "trip monkey" who would trip people all the time.  I want the players trying to trip when it's appropriate to try to trip, not because they've allocated 75% of their resources to being able to trip people with alacrity...that also gets into the thing about how  the fighter has tended to be this hyper specialized one trick poniculous who becomes only slightly more useful than a commoner if you take away is favorite toy/combat option.  Fighter's should be Conan/Lancelot/Fafhrd/D'Artagnan.  He may prefer a sword, or a bow, but if he doesn't have that, he'll kill you with a hangnail, naked, in whatever fashion is most appropriate for the situation.</blockquote>