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Message: <blockquote data-quote="The Crimson Binome" data-source="post: 6285762" data-attributes="member: 6775031">I'm saying that it was also true of AD&D, though. The fighter in AD&D used the same basic attacks as the mage and thief did, except more of them and with bigger numbers. Even their high-level ability that was widely ignored - the gaining of followers - was just a better version of hirelings that anybody could buy.The Book of Nine Swords was incredibly controversial, and also an obvious way of testing the waters for Fourth Edition. That it appealed to a certain type of player should not be seen as a mark against the 3.5 Fighter. Of note, one of the major groups who disliked the Book of Nine Swords was those who enjoyed the basic attack Fighter, and many of those players did not continue on to support Fourth Edition.That the Fighter is a flavorful class with its own schtick and unique mechanics is a mark of division between players, which is why they are supporting it but sticking it into a sub-class where it can be safely ignored.</blockquote>