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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 6288050" data-attributes="member: 42582">The dwarf fighter-cleric in my 4e game often makes Diplomacy checks despite no training and a CHA of 12. This is because I frame the character into situations where the player would rather have his PC speak up than remain silent. The "bounded accuracy" aspect helps here - these checks are hard but not hopeless - as do other features of my approach, like the player knowing that his PC is not going to be hosed in the fiction because of a failed check.Which fits into the notion of balance = "everyone can participate fine", which I find 4e mostly achieves via a combination of "frame situations that engage all the players via their PCs" (sometimes derisively described as "everyone participates" as if that were a bad thing!) and "no one's numbers are so hopeless that participation is futile".</blockquote>