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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 3770963" data-attributes="member: 4937"><p>If it was software, I'd expect the release date to slip.</p><p></p><p>I'm annoyed by several things. </p><p></p><p>First, I'm annoyed by the obvious fact that the game being designed is not one for which I am the intended audience. I have said before how the reason I came back to D&D is that 3rd edition could not have been more like I wanted it to be had I designed it and I mean that literally. From what I've seen of 4e, its less like they looked at what was wrong with the game and set out to fix it, and more like some other DM is implementing his own largely untested house rules which at best will produce an interesting variant game of the sort <em>that</em> DM always wanted to have. They keep wanting to 'fix' problems I don't have.</p><p></p><p>Second, I'm annoyed by the statements of the sort, "X was bad. So we did Y. Now X isn't bad any more." The reason this is annoying is that all too often, Y has nothing to do with X. So maybe X got fixed, but if it did it wasn't because Y got changed. Equally annoying are some of the posters who know suddenly defend element Y to the death, on the grounds that they never liked X, even though 4 weeks ago they would have passionately argued against it.</p><p></p><p>Thirdly, I'm annoyed by statements of the sort, "We've fixed Z.", where Z is clearly not even yet in play testing, but still in the middle of development. How do you know you've fixed multiclassing if you've not finalized the rules on multiclassing or the base classes yet? How do you know you've fixed the races if the race's definitions are still in flux? </p><p></p><p>The only thing heartening thus far is that even here in this bastion of optimism and excitement about the game, only about a 3rd of fans seem happy with any given change. So at least I'm not alone.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 3770963, member: 4937"] If it was software, I'd expect the release date to slip. I'm annoyed by several things. First, I'm annoyed by the obvious fact that the game being designed is not one for which I am the intended audience. I have said before how the reason I came back to D&D is that 3rd edition could not have been more like I wanted it to be had I designed it and I mean that literally. From what I've seen of 4e, its less like they looked at what was wrong with the game and set out to fix it, and more like some other DM is implementing his own largely untested house rules which at best will produce an interesting variant game of the sort [i]that[/i] DM always wanted to have. They keep wanting to 'fix' problems I don't have. Second, I'm annoyed by the statements of the sort, "X was bad. So we did Y. Now X isn't bad any more." The reason this is annoying is that all too often, Y has nothing to do with X. So maybe X got fixed, but if it did it wasn't because Y got changed. Equally annoying are some of the posters who know suddenly defend element Y to the death, on the grounds that they never liked X, even though 4 weeks ago they would have passionately argued against it. Thirdly, I'm annoyed by statements of the sort, "We've fixed Z.", where Z is clearly not even yet in play testing, but still in the middle of development. How do you know you've fixed multiclassing if you've not finalized the rules on multiclassing or the base classes yet? How do you know you've fixed the races if the race's definitions are still in flux? The only thing heartening thus far is that even here in this bastion of optimism and excitement about the game, only about a 3rd of fans seem happy with any given change. So at least I'm not alone. [/QUOTE]
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