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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Psion" data-source="post: 2556967" data-attributes="member: 172">Okay, it seems like you are cherry picking your sources and stances here. If you are arguing that the rules don't say that psionics = ki, I would have to agree with you. And you also say that you aren't claiming that you can't use psionics to emulate ki-using magic. That's all I am saying. I'll go a step further and say that looking at this from a vantage point of representing supernatural powers in the entirety of a game world, I consider it counter-intuitive to cobble up two entirely different magic systems that are doing the same thing. So AFAIAC, ki and psionics are just the same "elephant" being described from the vantage points of different in game culures.Again, not that I am supporting the notion that this is an official stance of anyone at wizards, but that really doesn't say much since outside of sidebars and XPH itself, Wizards doesn't talk about psionic. That bears not at all on the issue.I think you answered that yourself.AFAIAC, the logical thing to do in the next edition of the game would be to make the monk and the psychic warrior one and the same. When I think them being the same, I think of the conceptual synergy, not the flavor text of the RAW.If you think my stance on the issue is one of analyzing the authentic vice cinematic takes on the concept, your argument is mildly misplaced. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />And if you had brought this up prior to 3e, that would have dispelled all doubt in my mind.But under 3e, this seems to me to be just flavor text for the discipline of psychometabolism. And the psychic warrior class, who so strongly resembles historical and cinematic figures who were said to harness ki to attain mastery in combat, sort of drives the point home.FYI Chakras have appeared in concept in official material for psionics on the WotC website and in material by the 3e psionics author, Bruce Cordell.In the aforementioned material, a character trained in utilizing a particular Chakra draws PPs and healing power while in contact with the earth. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Indeed. As you said, these forces are supposed to be in balance, where the 3e magic take on negative energy is pretty much strictly, well, negative.FWIW, I made a ki system for 2e based on many of the concepts discussed. I totally abandoned all such efforts midway though 3e as the takes were so similar in all but the most subtle ways that I felt like I was re-inventing the wheel.</blockquote>

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