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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ashanderai" data-source="post: 2576904" data-attributes="member: 13210">Then, why make the statement?  It seems counter-intuitive to your point as it removes any justification for even having a psionics system as well as a ki system.Agreed.I think a statement of yours applies to how I feel about this point - "That's your view. Mine differs."  Do you feel the same about the class variants in Unearthed Arcana, various issues of Dragon, subclasses in Arcana Evolved, and subclasses, class variants, and racial substitution levels in numerous other books?  Apparently, there is a market for subclasses and related class variants, despite you feeling they are redundant.  But, that is another issue and I will leave it at that.I don't, and I am not the only one.  I have seen others posting on MoI threads across the internet, most on the WotC boards, that they hoped to use the new system in the book as a ki-use system.Exactly, and the same can be said of your point of view.I concur with your assessment of the Totemist.  It might have been a little better if they had presented it as a class variant or substitution levels of the druid.  But, I don't know that that would have gone over any better.And I hope you understand the same thing about the post that said, "Ki use is psionics."  That is the post with an "unequivocal nature" that drew my opposition to begin with.  Everything you say above about personal philosophy and perception I would direct at the post that drew me into this.Again, we disagree on the fine grain issue.  If this is fine grain, then so is the reason for psionics to have a different system from the core magic system.  I would not apply this issue to that of the wizard and sorcerer because that is handled in the manner of one gaining powers from unique knowledge (Int) and the other from a birthright (Cha).  There is no need to carry it further because no matter how the two tap into the power it is the same energy from what is most often the same source.  The psion and wizard draw their powers from different sources in different ways.  That is a main point for me with the ki-user and the psion and the wizard and all their associated classes (i.e. sorcerer, wilder, etc.) on this issue; all their powers come from different sources and they tap into those powers in different ways.  The ki-user from everything I have learned taps into a different source of power and accesses his powers in a different way than the manner in which psionic powers and spells are accessed.I am sure you will make a parting point, but I have already broken my word above once about posting again and I have other things demanding my attention for a while to come, but I can agree to disagree with you over many particulars in how we perceive ki-use, though it seems by some of your statements that we might actually agree on much of these issues.  It has been interesting debating this with you, but I should probably say something don't believe I said before that might or might not help you to understand my vantage point in this discussion.  I am looking at the ki system I want for mainly as a strictly oriental game mechanic for an oriental game; not a westernized game - I don't even espouse using monks as written by the PH in a typical western, fantasy setting.  That probably makes no difference to you, but I thought I should share it.</blockquote>

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