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Message: <blockquote data-quote="The Levitator" data-source="post: 3390363" data-attributes="member: 40099">As with many threads, it is many times a case of "don't judge a book by it's cover."  While the thread header may have confused some, I think the OP did a pretty good job explaining himself as to the focus of this thread.  And yet, people still don't understand that we aren't talking about playing without a randomization mechanic in place to determine the results of actions.  Using dice is no more "gamey" than using a random number generator on a computer.  I don't really believe that people actually think there is a difference between the two.  I guess some people just find any reason they can to belittle others in an attempt to make themselves feel superior in their preferences.So, for clarity, just one more time, to eliminate any confusion; the question is in regards to people who use random number generators instead of dice and whether players in those groups still feel like they are playing the game.  The answer, from my group, is absolutely.  My players play in other groups that throw little pieces of plastic around and they are certain their DM's are fudging rolls behind those screens.  And they believe that when you fudge the dice, you are no longer playing the game, you are just storytelling.  If you have a mechanic in place, and you ignore the mechanic in place to get the outcome you want, you aren't really playing a game anymore.  If I need an 8 to land on Boardwalk, and I fudge my total of 6 and say it's 8 so that I can buy Boardwalk, am I still playing the game, or am I just making things up to get the outcome I want?  I'm not arguing against fudging, just pointing out that fudging dice can be seen just as equally of "non-gamish D&D" as not using dice at all.I'm sure there are group out there that care way more about how the numbers are generated than the decisions that are made based on those numbers and the roleplaying that results from those decisions.  I'm just saying that isn't the case with our group.Besides, playing D&D in ANY form is creepy to many people outside of the gaming world, sheesh!  <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/laugh.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing    :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" /></blockquote>

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