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Message: <blockquote data-quote="The Levitator" data-source="post: 3398289" data-attributes="member: 40099">I get that.  What I don't get is the illusion that some people experience in that throwing a piece of plastic is giving anyone any more say in the outcome than clicking a button on a random number generator.  I know people that literally think that throwing dice somehow gives them "control" of the game.  I have friends who have strange superstitious rituals with their dice.  And ya know what?  They are great gamers and have a ball with their style of gaming.  While I don't really understand the logic of feeling like rolling dice somehow gives you any control of the outcome, I don't bash my friends for their dice quirks.  I understand what you are saying DonTadow, mostly because you explain yourself well without belittling those of differing opinions.  I totally understand how it can feel more like a game when you use physical dice because dice are a game mechanic in many different games.  Heck, Chutes and Ladders uses dice, so we've been raised to connect "dice" to "gaming".  I'm not discounting that, because it's a very valid point.  What I am debating, is that dice are absolutely necessary for a roleplaying game to feel like a game.  It's especially frustrating when people who have never played diceless find themselves qualified to tell those who play diceless what is and isn't "gaming".I do enjoy your perspective DonTadow, so I hope you take any of this as directed at you.  Actually, it's not directed at anyone in particular, it's more a generalization aimed at other generalizations.  So really, I'm just venting and in the end, it's just a game to me.  Even though I don't use dice.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />  I would just enjoy these types of conversations more with people who actually have some experience in the thing they have such strong opinions about.  I think you've mentioned in other threads about experimenting with it and not finding it to your liking.  If nothing else, I do know that you have never bashed us for our playing style or told us it's "wrong".  So it's nice to occasionally have a discussion with someone who can have a different opinion and still appreciate mine.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> I do look forward to your posts DonTadow, and hope to see you a little more often on the DM Genie boards.  They've slowed a bit since Janik has been so busy, but us diehards are keeping it breathing!  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></blockquote>

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