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<blockquote data-quote="teitan" data-source="post: 8112282" data-attributes="member: 3457"><p>I am going to say a blasphemous thing but... while they look the same and have similar rules... 3.5 and 3e are not the same. The whole philosophy changed in those few short years from the original design to the release of 3.5. You can follow that change in how WOTC wanted us to play D&amp;D in Dragon Magazine, often times straight up ignoring rules for multi-classing, talking about builds and such. Also watching the WOTC forums at the time you could see a sea change occurring in how people played as players and the gradual removal of the DM's hand from running the game that did start with 3e. Looking at 3.5's core book it's not so apparent but the change to the multi-class rules on an official level and then the release of ALL THOSE SPLATS! Within the year it didn't resemble classic D&amp;D at all so 3.5 &amp; Pathfinder aren't the same as 3.0 and older D&amp;D. Still D&amp;D but very much a D&amp;D driven by the Ivory Tower/SYstem Mastery reward mindset rather than &quot;my character is so cool&quot; and instead &quot;I can defeat Elminster because my ECL is 10 levels higher even though I am technically 16th level and can do more damage with one hit than he has hit points&quot;.</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="teitan, post: 8112282, member: 3457"] I am going to say a blasphemous thing but... while they look the same and have similar rules... 3.5 and 3e are not the same. The whole philosophy changed in those few short years from the original design to the release of 3.5. You can follow that change in how WOTC wanted us to play D&D in Dragon Magazine, often times straight up ignoring rules for multi-classing, talking about builds and such. Also watching the WOTC forums at the time you could see a sea change occurring in how people played as players and the gradual removal of the DM's hand from running the game that did start with 3e. Looking at 3.5's core book it's not so apparent but the change to the multi-class rules on an official level and then the release of ALL THOSE SPLATS! Within the year it didn't resemble classic D&D at all so 3.5 & Pathfinder aren't the same as 3.0 and older D&D. Still D&D but very much a D&D driven by the Ivory Tower/SYstem Mastery reward mindset rather than "my character is so cool" and instead "I can defeat Elminster because my ECL is 10 levels higher even though I am technically 16th level and can do more damage with one hit than he has hit points". [/QUOTE]

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