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<blockquote data-quote="Primal" data-source="post: 4690138" data-attributes="member: 30678">Zehir is an FR deity, now? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused&nbsp; &nbsp; :confused:"&nbsp; data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" />I'm not playing or running 4E, but even if I were, I doubt any DM I know (myself included) would touch 4E FR. It's that bad, at least in the eyes of a long-time fan who loved the complexity and detail in the setting. And the chapter about Loudwater contains some of the worst FR stuff I've ever seen published (yes, even with all that Marco Volo-goodness included). The Loudwater map reminded me of the original Pool of Radiance-module (and *not* in a good way), and made me wonder how tightly those 9000+ people must be crammed in those 40+ buildings shown on the map. <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/ponder.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":hmm:" title="Hmmm&nbsp; &nbsp; :hmm:" data-shortname=":hmm:" /> Yeah, by &quot;Mystra's Lost Spell&quot; and all that, 4E FR made me weep with its lack of enthusiasm and quality. If I ran 4E, I'd stick to Nentir Vale (actually, I've stolen the map of Fallscrest for my PF playtest campaign).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Primal, post: 4690138, member: 30678"] Zehir is an FR deity, now? :confused: I'm not playing or running 4E, but even if I were, I doubt any DM I know (myself included) would touch 4E FR. It's that bad, at least in the eyes of a long-time fan who loved the complexity and detail in the setting. And the chapter about Loudwater contains some of the worst FR stuff I've ever seen published (yes, even with all that Marco Volo-goodness included). The Loudwater map reminded me of the original Pool of Radiance-module (and *not* in a good way), and made me wonder how tightly those 9000+ people must be crammed in those 40+ buildings shown on the map. :hmm: Yeah, by "Mystra's Lost Spell" and all that, 4E FR made me weep with its lack of enthusiasm and quality. If I ran 4E, I'd stick to Nentir Vale (actually, I've stolen the map of Fallscrest for my PF playtest campaign). [/QUOTE]

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