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Message: <blockquote data-quote="cmanos" data-source="post: 3079748" data-attributes="member: 25472">OK, Argent Fist in FoE has Knight Training or Monastic Training, both from the ECS, as an entry requirement. The CV offers a Feat called Ascetic Knight, which is a Bonus Feat for L1 of Argent Fist.By the Entry requirements of the class, you couldn't enter the class if you had the Ascetic Knight feat. I find this odd as Ascetic Knight does everything Knight Training or Monastic Training would do for a Paladin/Monk, and then some. There is no reason for someone to take Knight Training or Monastic Training, when the feat Ascetic Knight is available, other than as an entry requirement for this class, or the CV is not available.Personally, I don't allow the Complete books in my Eberron game, as it makes the choices for feats a much more complex process, but in a game where both the ECS and the CV are being used, there is no reason for a Paladin/Monk to take Knight Training or Monastic Training when they can take Ascetic Knight and get more benefit from it.Would you allow a Paladin/Monk with the Ascetic Knight feat to enter the Argent Fist class or would you force them to take a feat that is useless, just to get into the PrC?</blockquote>