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Message: <blockquote data-quote="MerakSpielman" data-source="post: 1834977" data-attributes="member: 7464">I think it is important, if you are having this problem, to roll the PC's Sense Motive checks yourself, behind a screen.  There are several possiblities: The NPC is lying and the PC fails the check: "You're pretty sure he's telling you everything."The NPC is lying and the PC fails the check by a wide margin: "You're absolutely certain he's telling you everything."The NPC is lying and the PC makes the check: "You're pretty sure he's hiding something."The NPC is lying and the PC makes the check by a wide margin: "You're absolutely certain he's hiding something." here's where it gets interesting. I've decided that Sensing Motive when the NPC is telling the truth is a DC 15 check - after all, you're looking for signs of them acting like they're lying, which might well be identical to the signs that somebody is telling the truth, except they're being done deliberately and not unconsciously. You're trying to tell the difference, and that's not easy. The NPC is telling the truth and the PC fails the check: "You're pretty sure he's hiding something."The NPC is telling the truth and the PC fails the check by a wide margin: "You're absolutely certain he's hiding something." The NPC is telling the truth and the PC makes the check: "You're pretty sure he's telling you everything." The NPC is telling the truth and the PC makes the check by a wide margin: "You're absolutely certain he's telling you everything."  Note my tweak - I'm allowing for the PC to be absolutely sure, but STILL TOTALLY WRONG, if they roll poorly on the check, whether the NPC is hiding something or not. The NPC could be the most trustworthy person in the world, but the fellow with a Sense Motive of +1 tries to see if they're lying, and makes a totally bad call that the person is lying through their teeth.</blockquote>

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