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<blockquote data-quote="Kilroy" data-source="post: 2580017" data-attributes="member: 5299">My experience has been the opposite, unless you can catch them unprepared.&nbsp; Once the fight starts, wizards and sorcs probably have blur, fly, displacement, invisibility or mirror image up, and that makes them immune to sneak attacks.&nbsp; If you can catch a midlevel wizard unaware you can probably take them if you don't miss, but if you do, the rest of the party probably isn't right there to help so you're pretty dead.&nbsp; A high level caster probably has a Cloak of Displacement or a Contingency spell to make them immune to sneak attacks.&nbsp; I had one good run like this with my assassin, offing two casters before they did much in a big fight, but that's been it.Unfortunantly, this takes a feat to get 1 sneak attack a round, as a move + attack action, or 1 every other round without the feat.&nbsp; Is there a way to get iterative sneak attacks with feint?&nbsp; I'd love to know if there is, because our ninja currently takes 2 rounds to feint for 1 sudden strike (he doesn't have the feat that makes it a move, but may get it in another 3 levels).I've tried this.&nbsp; (Grappling a lich in an anti-magic field and doing the &quot;Got your nose!&quot; trick with his nose was the highlight of a session.)&nbsp; Unfortunantly, grappling a caster isn't at all specific ro rogues, and rogues suck at grapple.&nbsp; Why use a rogue for this?&nbsp; I don't think there's even a way to get sneak attack damage grappling.&nbsp; This is yet another thing better done by monks or fighters, as they get both feats as class abilities.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Kilroy, post: 2580017, member: 5299"] My experience has been the opposite, unless you can catch them unprepared. Once the fight starts, wizards and sorcs probably have blur, fly, displacement, invisibility or mirror image up, and that makes them immune to sneak attacks. If you can catch a midlevel wizard unaware you can probably take them if you don't miss, but if you do, the rest of the party probably isn't right there to help so you're pretty dead. A high level caster probably has a Cloak of Displacement or a Contingency spell to make them immune to sneak attacks. I had one good run like this with my assassin, offing two casters before they did much in a big fight, but that's been it. Unfortunantly, this takes a feat to get 1 sneak attack a round, as a move + attack action, or 1 every other round without the feat. Is there a way to get iterative sneak attacks with feint? I'd love to know if there is, because our ninja currently takes 2 rounds to feint for 1 sudden strike (he doesn't have the feat that makes it a move, but may get it in another 3 levels). I've tried this. (Grappling a lich in an anti-magic field and doing the "Got your nose!" trick with his nose was the highlight of a session.) Unfortunantly, grappling a caster isn't at all specific ro rogues, and rogues suck at grapple. Why use a rogue for this? I don't think there's even a way to get sneak attack damage grappling. This is yet another thing better done by monks or fighters, as they get both feats as class abilities. [/QUOTE]

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