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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Nail" data-source="post: 2580223" data-attributes="member: 224">Okay, I can see where you're coming from.  But consider: <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Like many other PC classes, what is useful depends on DM style.  For example: We've *never* used the Balance skill in play (levels 1 - 18) in my current game.  So whoever skipped that skill made out well.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Although there are lots of skills, only some of them are used frequently enough to be useful.  IOW, there is a "short list" of good skills the Rog picks from.  Including skills like Knowledge (Religion) in the list the Rogue must decide on is disingenuous.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Combining the above 2 points: the list of actually useful skills is not very big.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Rogues don't just get 8 skills.  They might be human, and they might have a decent Int.  </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Rogues have far more skills as class skills than any other class.  So sure, the Rogue may have "only" 6 more skills than the Ftr or Clr, but neither of those get such juicy skills as Spot, Search......</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Skills don't get "used up".  They are perfect for actions that you're likely to do many times in a day.  In our campaign, our Rog uses Search, Disable Device, Open Lock, and Listen constantly.  In a previous campaign, the Appraise, Spot and Sense Motive skills were widely used.</li> </ul>I sounds to me like you've just been burned too many times playing Rogues with your group.  Perhaps there's a more fundamental problem here.......</blockquote>

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