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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 8529631" data-attributes="member: 22779">IME, there are a couple of pretty red flags that go up and generally mean that the productive portion of the thread is over:1.  Trotting out dictionary definitions.  I'm sorry, but I totally agree with [USER=177]@Umbran[/USER] here.  Every single time someone trots out dueling dictionaries, that line of discussion is pretty much over.2.  Diving down into examples instead of engaging the idea.  This is something I'm more than guilty of.  Poster says X, poster gives an example of X, and then spends the next five pages trying to show why that example is a good example of X instead of actually discussing the idea.</blockquote>