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arguing with my DM: The Leadership feat(and a wizard)
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<blockquote data-quote="Thanael" data-source="post: 4963623" data-attributes="member: 22734"><p>QFT. But then again the OPs request could not have had anything to do with power gaming, seeing what kind of cohort he would get. </p><p></p><p>So: You're right your DM is wrong. </p><p></p><p>With a Cha of 7 at CL7 the wizard will attract a 3rd level cohort, 2nd level if he has a familiar, 1st level if the cohort has a different alignment or the PC gets any of the -1 modifiers from the <a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/feats.htm#leadership" target="_blank">The Leader’s Reputation table</a> (such as aloofness). So he would probably get a true 1st level apprentice.</p><p></p><p>Also whenever his cohort dies, he gets another -2 on his leadership score, so he'll really have to go out of his way to get a cohort at all even if he rises in level, if (or when?) his first cohort dies. If not the cohort will very slowly rise in power. At 10th level the PC will perhaps have a cohort of 3rd or 4th level and no chance for followers, at 15th level the cohort could be up to 9th perhaps even 10th level but only if the the first cohort survives, and the PC really hangs in there, trying to get all the bonuses he can.</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/feats.htm#leadership" target="_blank">The Leader’s Reputation table</a> should give a few hints what he could do to better attract a cohort, but really with how the OP portrayed the PC, he'll also gets a few of the negative modifiers. </p><p></p><p>Now remembering that the cohort should be designed and largely run by the DM and not the PC, this is a plot hook in the making and a great roleplaying opportunity that you and your DM are missing. Honestly i don't understand why the DM should refuse this.</p><p></p><p>But then again I also understand what Celebrim said and the Leadership feat is very controvertial in the first place. I think the difference is (and was also in 1E/2E) that the Player feels a little more entitled to define the follower and "play" him or control his actions. With NPCs these are completely in the hands of the DM, for cohorts the player can at least determine, race, class, alignment (though how this wokrs in game is unclear) and the NPC is assumed to be very friendly inclined towards the PC.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Thanael, post: 4963623, member: 22734"] QFT. But then again the OPs request could not have had anything to do with power gaming, seeing what kind of cohort he would get. So: You're right your DM is wrong. With a Cha of 7 at CL7 the wizard will attract a 3rd level cohort, 2nd level if he has a familiar, 1st level if the cohort has a different alignment or the PC gets any of the -1 modifiers from the [url=http://www.d20srd.org/srd/feats.htm#leadership]The Leader’s Reputation table[/url] (such as aloofness). So he would probably get a true 1st level apprentice. Also whenever his cohort dies, he gets another -2 on his leadership score, so he'll really have to go out of his way to get a cohort at all even if he rises in level, if (or when?) his first cohort dies. If not the cohort will very slowly rise in power. At 10th level the PC will perhaps have a cohort of 3rd or 4th level and no chance for followers, at 15th level the cohort could be up to 9th perhaps even 10th level but only if the the first cohort survives, and the PC really hangs in there, trying to get all the bonuses he can. [url=http://www.d20srd.org/srd/feats.htm#leadership]The Leader’s Reputation table[/url] should give a few hints what he could do to better attract a cohort, but really with how the OP portrayed the PC, he'll also gets a few of the negative modifiers. Now remembering that the cohort should be designed and largely run by the DM and not the PC, this is a plot hook in the making and a great roleplaying opportunity that you and your DM are missing. Honestly i don't understand why the DM should refuse this. But then again I also understand what Celebrim said and the Leadership feat is very controvertial in the first place. I think the difference is (and was also in 1E/2E) that the Player feels a little more entitled to define the follower and "play" him or control his actions. With NPCs these are completely in the hands of the DM, for cohorts the player can at least determine, race, class, alignment (though how this wokrs in game is unclear) and the NPC is assumed to be very friendly inclined towards the PC. [/QUOTE]
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