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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 4963950" data-attributes="member: 4937">Amen.I read that post and I went from thinking that it was bad DMing (changing the rules midgame) to a problem player in hurry.I should add that changing the rules midgame without gaining the consent of the player is the only part of this that I disagree with the DM on.&nbsp; I think the DM has every right to say, &quot;Leadership now has a minimum CHR of 9 as a prerequisite.&nbsp; You can look for an apprentice who is motivated to learn under your tutelege, but such an apprentice will likely be just a basically self-interest NPC who wants something from you, not a loyal follower who is devoted to you.&quot;, but I don't think that a DM should spring this on a player in reponse to the player trying to take the leadership feat if only because doing that is going to lead to conflict.&nbsp; Even if I thought the Leadership feat bad (which I do), its not worth the disruption at the table to fight for my opinion here, and the best thing to do is make the most of it.However, the more the player in this exchange talks, the more clear it is that he tries to brow beat the DM over every decision which removes all sympathy I have for him, and frankly, I don't think he deserves to sit at the DM's table.&nbsp; He can take his 15 years of experience, shove off, and go find some players.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 4963950, member: 4937"] Amen. I read that post and I went from thinking that it was bad DMing (changing the rules midgame) to a problem player in hurry. I should add that changing the rules midgame without gaining the consent of the player is the only part of this that I disagree with the DM on. I think the DM has every right to say, "Leadership now has a minimum CHR of 9 as a prerequisite. You can look for an apprentice who is motivated to learn under your tutelege, but such an apprentice will likely be just a basically self-interest NPC who wants something from you, not a loyal follower who is devoted to you.", but I don't think that a DM should spring this on a player in reponse to the player trying to take the leadership feat if only because doing that is going to lead to conflict. Even if I thought the Leadership feat bad (which I do), its not worth the disruption at the table to fight for my opinion here, and the best thing to do is make the most of it. However, the more the player in this exchange talks, the more clear it is that he tries to brow beat the DM over every decision which removes all sympathy I have for him, and frankly, I don't think he deserves to sit at the DM's table. He can take his 15 years of experience, shove off, and go find some players. [/QUOTE]

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