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arguing with my DM: The Leadership feat(and a wizard)
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<blockquote data-quote="Nyeshet" data-source="post: 4964975" data-attributes="member: 18363"><p><strong>Why would you want leadership?</strong></p><p></p><p>You are level 7 with Cha 7. You are an adventurer and so likely move around a lot - or at least do not stay constantly within a single small region (such as a city or earldom). You are a wizard and so likely have a familiar. </p><p></p><p>Leadership score: 7 -2 (cha) -2 (familiar) -1 (move around a lot) = 2</p><p>Cohort available w/ leadership score of 2: one 1st level NPC. </p><p></p><p>You have already stated your cohort will be an apprentice wizard, so we are talking about 1d4+con hp. I'll be generous and presume a 16 Con and maximum roll on the 1d4: 7 hp. At 7th level any single hit that lands (and it will almost always land upon a 1st level NPC) will likely cause at least 7 hp damage. So if your cohort is ever attacked, he will all but surely die, leading to a -2 to your leadership score - preventing you from getting another cohort for at least one level (maybe two). </p><p></p><p>If you do not have a familiar, then your cohort is level 2. Presuming maximum roll on both d4s and an unusually high Con of 16 (you do want your NPC cohort to survive), results in a total hp of 11. Again, at level 7, the typical encounter will likely slay your cohort. On the other hand, if this one dies, you can get another (1st level) one - but upon that one's death again you will be unable to gain a cohort for a full level or two. </p><p></p><p>Unless you have a good Cha and have a few things to your name to build up your leadership score (a castle as a home base, a special power or ability, etc) then it is rarely a good idea to take leadership. </p><p></p><p>The few times I've seen it worked have involved a cohort bards and cleric who focused on abjuration, healing, and creating potions and wands of curing, etc - and staying out of harm's way. They usually tended to mind the home base while the players adventured, having healing ready for when they returned. If a bard, they might go along for the more diplomatic (rather than dungeon crawling) adventures to aid another with various social checks, tell stories of the great works of the group, etc. If clerics they were usually there after some dream or omen from their deity requesting they aid the person to which they cohorted. Bard and cleric cohort would use their low level magic to give minor but useful boosts; bards would sing during combat; but otherwise they would do their best to stay in the background and out of harm's way. </p><p></p><p>I also saw a cohort rogue once. They kept their tumble maxed, used aid another to help with trap finding and disarming, helped in flanking, and generally tried to stay out of harms way whenever and however possible (via tumbles, always fighting defensively, expertise, dodge, etc).</p><p></p><p>Is there a role playing reason to have the apprentice? Has your wizard recently done something likely to spread his name far and wide? Is your apprentice the son of a affair during your youth? Is he a younger childhood friend or the son of a childhood friend who heard stories of you from his father? What is the reason behind the desire for the leadership feat?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Nyeshet, post: 4964975, member: 18363"] [b]Why would you want leadership?[/b] You are level 7 with Cha 7. You are an adventurer and so likely move around a lot - or at least do not stay constantly within a single small region (such as a city or earldom). You are a wizard and so likely have a familiar. Leadership score: 7 -2 (cha) -2 (familiar) -1 (move around a lot) = 2 Cohort available w/ leadership score of 2: one 1st level NPC. You have already stated your cohort will be an apprentice wizard, so we are talking about 1d4+con hp. I'll be generous and presume a 16 Con and maximum roll on the 1d4: 7 hp. At 7th level any single hit that lands (and it will almost always land upon a 1st level NPC) will likely cause at least 7 hp damage. So if your cohort is ever attacked, he will all but surely die, leading to a -2 to your leadership score - preventing you from getting another cohort for at least one level (maybe two). If you do not have a familiar, then your cohort is level 2. Presuming maximum roll on both d4s and an unusually high Con of 16 (you do want your NPC cohort to survive), results in a total hp of 11. Again, at level 7, the typical encounter will likely slay your cohort. On the other hand, if this one dies, you can get another (1st level) one - but upon that one's death again you will be unable to gain a cohort for a full level or two. Unless you have a good Cha and have a few things to your name to build up your leadership score (a castle as a home base, a special power or ability, etc) then it is rarely a good idea to take leadership. The few times I've seen it worked have involved a cohort bards and cleric who focused on abjuration, healing, and creating potions and wands of curing, etc - and staying out of harm's way. They usually tended to mind the home base while the players adventured, having healing ready for when they returned. If a bard, they might go along for the more diplomatic (rather than dungeon crawling) adventures to aid another with various social checks, tell stories of the great works of the group, etc. If clerics they were usually there after some dream or omen from their deity requesting they aid the person to which they cohorted. Bard and cleric cohort would use their low level magic to give minor but useful boosts; bards would sing during combat; but otherwise they would do their best to stay in the background and out of harm's way. I also saw a cohort rogue once. They kept their tumble maxed, used aid another to help with trap finding and disarming, helped in flanking, and generally tried to stay out of harms way whenever and however possible (via tumbles, always fighting defensively, expertise, dodge, etc). Is there a role playing reason to have the apprentice? Has your wizard recently done something likely to spread his name far and wide? Is your apprentice the son of a affair during your youth? Is he a younger childhood friend or the son of a childhood friend who heard stories of you from his father? What is the reason behind the desire for the leadership feat? [/QUOTE]
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