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<blockquote data-quote="smbakeresq" data-source="post: 7488538" data-attributes="member: 28301">Correct.However the prevailing theory it seems is that since there is no specific rules to cover clerics or warlocks falling it simply can’t happen under any circumstances and any DM who rules that a PC has failed to uphold their faith or pact is screwing the PC and player completely over.&nbsp; For a DM to suggest that such a thing could occur to a PC if the PC took such and such action would immediately be a cause for the player to leave the game for being “treated very unfairly!!”I play with older players who get the spirit of the game and create intricate backstory to justify decisions, which is made much easier through email.&nbsp; I also play with my kids and their friends also ages 10-13, who just don’t think along terms of “it’s not in the rules so it’s completely allowed if it’s good for me and is impossible to happen if it’s bad for me.”&nbsp; They just act out their PC all the time, just saying what they are doing.The whole point I have been trying to make is as above, have a good story and reason for why your PC is MC. The reason can’t be “I get free heavy armor proficiency for doing this, so what do I need to do to justify this.”The post where the fighter met the deity/spirit is an example.&nbsp; Obviously the DM set up the meeting, I would assume it was setup by the player and DM, which is great cooperation.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="smbakeresq, post: 7488538, member: 28301"] Correct. However the prevailing theory it seems is that since there is no specific rules to cover clerics or warlocks falling it simply can’t happen under any circumstances and any DM who rules that a PC has failed to uphold their faith or pact is screwing the PC and player completely over. For a DM to suggest that such a thing could occur to a PC if the PC took such and such action would immediately be a cause for the player to leave the game for being “treated very unfairly!!” I play with older players who get the spirit of the game and create intricate backstory to justify decisions, which is made much easier through email. I also play with my kids and their friends also ages 10-13, who just don’t think along terms of “it’s not in the rules so it’s completely allowed if it’s good for me and is impossible to happen if it’s bad for me.” They just act out their PC all the time, just saying what they are doing. The whole point I have been trying to make is as above, have a good story and reason for why your PC is MC. The reason can’t be “I get free heavy armor proficiency for doing this, so what do I need to do to justify this.” The post where the fighter met the deity/spirit is an example. Obviously the DM set up the meeting, I would assume it was setup by the player and DM, which is great cooperation. [/QUOTE]

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