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<blockquote data-quote="Kobold Boots" data-source="post: 7488707" data-attributes="member: 92239">Oathbreaker.Generally I agree.&nbsp; Depends on:1. Patron - Some may care, most probably won't until you have something they want.&nbsp; I'd imagine that some patrons seed the world and see what grows, while others may have a direct reason to empower a character.&nbsp; 2. The story - As a DM or GM, I never overlook the patron/deity relationship and how that factors into the world or the setting.&nbsp; At low levels, players get a lot of slack usually.&nbsp; At higher levels less so because the relationship generally matters more to the patron.&nbsp; Of course, I let the player know this directly out of game and through tells during the game, but I do the best I can to make sure it comes across naturally.&nbsp; Things have to make sense and folks need to be comfy with it.Agree, though to be fair - it's much better to have the character go through in game things that are not immediately thought to be punishments, but rather trials.&nbsp; &quot;Ok, you schtuped the king's daughter.. now I need you to go find the golden fleece.&quot;Well there's the small problem that a character without a soul should not be able to become a paladin in the first place.&nbsp; Granted, this is my world view and other DMs can do whatever their desires are, but if the world follows a generic &quot;gods need followers&quot; and &quot;soul is the faith&quot; model, then being trained by Helm followers is great, but when you finally go to be empowered by the god and the soul isn't there... oopsy.&nbsp; Now if you wanted the demon pact that enabled the warlock to gain power to also take on some paladin'y goodness, I'd have no issue there.&nbsp; Sounds fun.I have no issue with any multiclass combo that makes sense from a story perspective.&nbsp; Classes to me are like templates, no one walks around in game going &quot;Hey you're a paladin, or Hey you're a warlock&quot;, but if you come to me with a backstory that doesn't make sense setting wise and you want the powers, I'll say &quot;OK&quot; and then you'll find out at some point in your roleplay over time that the story your parents told you was a little off.&nbsp; You get to do what you want, but you don't get to do it exactly the way you thought.&nbsp; Most players are ok with that so long as the game (and most importantly their character) is cool and makes sense.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Kobold Boots, post: 7488707, member: 92239"] Oathbreaker. Generally I agree. Depends on: 1. Patron - Some may care, most probably won't until you have something they want. I'd imagine that some patrons seed the world and see what grows, while others may have a direct reason to empower a character. 2. The story - As a DM or GM, I never overlook the patron/deity relationship and how that factors into the world or the setting. At low levels, players get a lot of slack usually. At higher levels less so because the relationship generally matters more to the patron. Of course, I let the player know this directly out of game and through tells during the game, but I do the best I can to make sure it comes across naturally. Things have to make sense and folks need to be comfy with it. Agree, though to be fair - it's much better to have the character go through in game things that are not immediately thought to be punishments, but rather trials. "Ok, you schtuped the king's daughter.. now I need you to go find the golden fleece." Well there's the small problem that a character without a soul should not be able to become a paladin in the first place. Granted, this is my world view and other DMs can do whatever their desires are, but if the world follows a generic "gods need followers" and "soul is the faith" model, then being trained by Helm followers is great, but when you finally go to be empowered by the god and the soul isn't there... oopsy. Now if you wanted the demon pact that enabled the warlock to gain power to also take on some paladin'y goodness, I'd have no issue there. Sounds fun. I have no issue with any multiclass combo that makes sense from a story perspective. Classes to me are like templates, no one walks around in game going "Hey you're a paladin, or Hey you're a warlock", but if you come to me with a backstory that doesn't make sense setting wise and you want the powers, I'll say "OK" and then you'll find out at some point in your roleplay over time that the story your parents told you was a little off. You get to do what you want, but you don't get to do it exactly the way you thought. Most players are ok with that so long as the game (and most importantly their character) is cool and makes sense. [/QUOTE]

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