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<blockquote data-quote="smbakeresq" data-source="post: 7492132" data-attributes="member: 28301">This is true.&nbsp; The problem I have with players taking oathbreaker is, IMO:1.&nbsp; Logically you can’t start out as an oathbreaker.&nbsp; Level 1 is the beginning of your career, what Oath could you break to be an oathbreaker before you even start?&nbsp; To me it’s like getting fired before you are hired.&nbsp; Maybe because it’s called oathbreaker I have a problem ...2.&nbsp; Let’s say you break your oath later, and switch to it like in the old editions.&nbsp; Why would the group stay with you?&nbsp; Wouldn’t you take actions adverse to their interests, maybe even killing them?&nbsp; 3.&nbsp; I can see going the other way, I and it worked.&nbsp; I came into a campaign at level 4, but I was an oathbreaker from the very beginning and my fall was my friend was killed by a cult I was in so after killing them all I tried to redeem myself.&nbsp; However my patron power kept giving me the “evil” powers since no one is ever truly redeemed.&nbsp;&nbsp; Use of such powers would of course move the needle on the moral compass meter, so I had to be creative to use them as to not do so. I also gave myself some penalties, like sometimes waking up with a level of exhaustion from the terrible nightmares, etc.&nbsp; There were also various social penalties, etc.&nbsp; I figured my alignment would be LE (LN), only iron discipline would keep me from falling into the darkness.The last idea is essentially Batman or Spawn or even John Wick.&nbsp; All are murderers and vigilantes at a bare minimum, the fact that they kill other bad guys that benefits society is a good thing of course but incidental.&nbsp; What makes Batman great is his nemesis, the Joker, is a reflection of himself.&nbsp; Batman channels his dark rage into vendettas against specific types of people in society, the Joker essentially does the same with an emphasis on getting the Dark Knight.&nbsp; Neither is directly shown just killing innocents or the weak, they both move in the same world, just from opposite directions.I wanted to play an OathBreaker and it seemed the only was in my mind to fit it into the campaign.&nbsp; As far as MC, to me Oath Breaker is a MC all by itself.&nbsp; You start out as one type of Paladin and something breaks your faith, changing your powers.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="smbakeresq, post: 7492132, member: 28301"] This is true. The problem I have with players taking oathbreaker is, IMO: 1. Logically you can’t start out as an oathbreaker. Level 1 is the beginning of your career, what Oath could you break to be an oathbreaker before you even start? To me it’s like getting fired before you are hired. Maybe because it’s called oathbreaker I have a problem ... 2. Let’s say you break your oath later, and switch to it like in the old editions. Why would the group stay with you? Wouldn’t you take actions adverse to their interests, maybe even killing them? 3. I can see going the other way, I and it worked. I came into a campaign at level 4, but I was an oathbreaker from the very beginning and my fall was my friend was killed by a cult I was in so after killing them all I tried to redeem myself. However my patron power kept giving me the “evil” powers since no one is ever truly redeemed. Use of such powers would of course move the needle on the moral compass meter, so I had to be creative to use them as to not do so. I also gave myself some penalties, like sometimes waking up with a level of exhaustion from the terrible nightmares, etc. There were also various social penalties, etc. I figured my alignment would be LE (LN), only iron discipline would keep me from falling into the darkness. The last idea is essentially Batman or Spawn or even John Wick. All are murderers and vigilantes at a bare minimum, the fact that they kill other bad guys that benefits society is a good thing of course but incidental. What makes Batman great is his nemesis, the Joker, is a reflection of himself. Batman channels his dark rage into vendettas against specific types of people in society, the Joker essentially does the same with an emphasis on getting the Dark Knight. Neither is directly shown just killing innocents or the weak, they both move in the same world, just from opposite directions. I wanted to play an OathBreaker and it seemed the only was in my mind to fit it into the campaign. As far as MC, to me Oath Breaker is a MC all by itself. You start out as one type of Paladin and something breaks your faith, changing your powers. [/QUOTE]

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