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<blockquote data-quote="smbakeresq" data-source="post: 7493172" data-attributes="member: 28301">Mechanically speaking you left out very important mechanics, rules about dueling ability, weapon properties, creature size, and interaction of all those.&nbsp; Plus the comparison should be between a Lance and a Pike, the closest comparison.Lance - IMO the two handed&nbsp; property was not added to allow the classic jousting scenario with a shield.&nbsp; Clearly the lance requires 2 hands to use unless you have some other assistance, this is reflected in being mounted.&nbsp; Since this was not added small creatures can use it use it one handed.Since anyone can use it one handed you can use dueling.&nbsp; Dueling was added to some martial classes to reflect their greater skill in using smaller weapons, this evens out the damage trade vs a larger weapon for those classes.&nbsp; I don’t think it was intended for the Pike, the lances closest relative, see rules, and thus not a pike used mounted.The dual wielder feat was intended to use 2 full size weapons at once, not 2 lances from a mount.&nbsp; I don’t KNOW this but I suspect that was the case.I get that it is RAW, but this isn’t a balance issue, it’s an absurdly issue.&nbsp; It’s a fantasy game, but I don’t think I know a DM that would allow a halfling on Golden retriever with 2 lances attacking with each and then get a bonus action attack again.Or another way, how would players react if a goblin rode up on a wolf and attacked 3 times with a lance.&nbsp; “Wait a minute here!”&nbsp; Would be the mildest response.But if your DM does a small Paladin on his mount should always use 2 full size lances and dual wielder feat combined with 2 weapon fighting and then just switch to two small weapons if need be.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="smbakeresq, post: 7493172, member: 28301"] Mechanically speaking you left out very important mechanics, rules about dueling ability, weapon properties, creature size, and interaction of all those. Plus the comparison should be between a Lance and a Pike, the closest comparison. Lance - IMO the two handed property was not added to allow the classic jousting scenario with a shield. Clearly the lance requires 2 hands to use unless you have some other assistance, this is reflected in being mounted. Since this was not added small creatures can use it use it one handed. Since anyone can use it one handed you can use dueling. Dueling was added to some martial classes to reflect their greater skill in using smaller weapons, this evens out the damage trade vs a larger weapon for those classes. I don’t think it was intended for the Pike, the lances closest relative, see rules, and thus not a pike used mounted. The dual wielder feat was intended to use 2 full size weapons at once, not 2 lances from a mount. I don’t KNOW this but I suspect that was the case. I get that it is RAW, but this isn’t a balance issue, it’s an absurdly issue. It’s a fantasy game, but I don’t think I know a DM that would allow a halfling on Golden retriever with 2 lances attacking with each and then get a bonus action attack again. Or another way, how would players react if a goblin rode up on a wolf and attacked 3 times with a lance. “Wait a minute here!” Would be the mildest response. But if your DM does a small Paladin on his mount should always use 2 full size lances and dual wielder feat combined with 2 weapon fighting and then just switch to two small weapons if need be. [/QUOTE]

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