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<blockquote data-quote="5ekyu" data-source="post: 7493208" data-attributes="member: 6919838">While amusing that is mind of where i fall on some of this solid line of demarcation that the DM cannot have a say in stuff.if i am a Dm tell a player they cannot play ABCD in the game - that player has the right to just say &quot;great. thanks. bye.&quot;But if as a a Gm when i lay out some basic set of guidelines for what characters can be - something short of a list of everything that can be imagined - if the player then claims the absolute right to invent background &quot;fluff&quot; for their character and i am not allowed to cross that line at all to say &quot;no&quot; then where is my &quot;walk away&quot; option? Do i now have to drop the entire campaign and go home and sit alone?Do i now have to play the game Gm it even though its not something i want to run?Do i have the right to tell the player &quot;yeah thats legal here but you cannot play it at all so leave&quot; but not to instead say &quot;how about we change this...&quot;The player never has an absolute line drawn forcing them to play something they do not like. but it seems that if the player insists they be allowed to have stuff that is &quot;off limits&quot; at character creation then the Gm seems to be lacking that same option to refuse. One side with unilateral say-so does not a collaborative event make. The Gms power is given by the players. It exists only as long as they allow it. Some player seem to want more power than that the right to not only create but require (not ask) others to consent to it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="5ekyu, post: 7493208, member: 6919838"] While amusing that is mind of where i fall on some of this solid line of demarcation that the DM cannot have a say in stuff. if i am a Dm tell a player they cannot play ABCD in the game - that player has the right to just say "great. thanks. bye." But if as a a Gm when i lay out some basic set of guidelines for what characters can be - something short of a list of everything that can be imagined - if the player then claims the absolute right to invent background "fluff" for their character and i am not allowed to cross that line at all to say "no" then where is my "walk away" option? Do i now have to drop the entire campaign and go home and sit alone? Do i now have to play the game Gm it even though its not something i want to run? Do i have the right to tell the player "yeah thats legal here but you cannot play it at all so leave" but not to instead say "how about we change this..." The player never has an absolute line drawn forcing them to play something they do not like. but it seems that if the player insists they be allowed to have stuff that is "off limits" at character creation then the Gm seems to be lacking that same option to refuse. One side with unilateral say-so does not a collaborative event make. The Gms power is given by the players. It exists only as long as they allow it. Some player seem to want more power than that the right to not only create but require (not ask) others to consent to it. [/QUOTE]

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